Which existed first "something" or "nothing"?

[Ben Dhyan]

And dozens of versions of string theory including muliple dimensions into the hundreds. I don't put faith in any particular string theory but ansering "how" would just be icing for what we already can observe is happening in this fascinating universe.

I don't ever consider seriously all the speculation concerning the origin the universe....it has always been there just as it is now, and always will be....nothing ever changes but the forms...and it is form with which science is entangled....the Ourboros...the snake eating its tail.....all is one...

 

[Sonofason]

Well that's an interesting insight.....also possible that some heat is building up deep inside the earth causing it to expand and fracturing the outer along the fault lines and allowing the magma to flow out to fill the expanded surface...

Okay but why do scientists still insist on subduction zones? They do not exist. There are no continents driving underneath other continents and becoming absorbed by the mantle. Its just not happening. India has always been attached to Asia. It did not break off of Africa and drift across the Indian ocean and smash into Asia creating the Himalayas. There was no super-continent Pangaea on one side of the earth with a vast ocean on the other. When all the continents were attached, before the earth fractured from expanding all the continents were connected and they encompassed the entire earth's surface. There were no oceans at that time, before the flood.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Okay but why do scientists still insist on subduction zones? They do not exist. There are no continents driving underneath other continents and becoming absorbed by the mantle. Its just not happening. India has always been attached to Asia. It did not break off of Africa and drift across the Indian ocean and smash into Asia creating the Himalayas. There was no super-continent Pangaea on one side of the earth with a vast ocean on the other. When all the continents were attached, before the earth fractured from expanding all the continents were connected and they encompassed the entire earth's surface. There were no oceans at that time, before the flood.

Yes..seems that way.... my mind is still adjusting to this model...presuming the data (ocean floor dating) is correct...it's a slam dunk!

 

[Sonofason]

Yes..seems that way.... my mind is still adjusting to this model...presuming the data (ocean floor dating) is correct...it's a slam dunk!

We'll have to keep our eyes on it and see how it plays out.

 

[paarsurrey]

Okay but why do scientists still insist on subduction zones? They do not exist. There are no continents driving underneath other continents and becoming absorbed by the mantle. Its just not happening. India has always been attached to Asia. It did not break off of Africa and drift across the Indian ocean and smash into Asia creating the Himalayas. There was no super-continent Pangaea on one side of the earth with a vast ocean on the other. When all the continents were attached, before the earth fractured from expanding all the continents were connected and they encompassed the entire earth's surface. There were no oceans at that time, before the flood.

Pangaea

From Google.


But they fit in well.

Map of Pangaea with modern continental outlines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea
Regards

 

[idav]

I don't ever consider seriously all the speculation concerning the origin the universe....it has always been there just as it is now, and always will be....nothing ever changes but the forms...and it is form with which science is entangled....the Ourboros...the snake eating its tail.....all is one...

There is a difference between speculation based on pure guessing and actually predicting the outcomes of experiments based on knowing.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There is a difference between speculation based on pure guessing and actually predicting the outcomes of experiments based on knowing.

Of course there is...but there is no experiment that can accurately shows the origin of the universe...only observations of reality in the context of post singularity theoretical models that keep being adjusted to fit the reality observed...

 

[Sonofason]

Pangaea
View attachment 13560

From Google.


But they fit in well.

Map of Pangaea with modern continental outlines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea
Regards

That's easy...erosion.

 

[idav]

Of course there is...but there is no experiment that can accurately shows the origin of the universe...only observations of reality in the context of post singularity theoretical models that keep being adjusted to fit the reality observed...

So your saying there is no real science to show before or after an alleged singularity? I understand being skeptical of things that can't be observed or measured in some way but your statement seems to go a little beyond that. Predictions from science shows we can know things even before we are able to test it completely. Yet your beliefs are right in line with what some string theories are saying so it doesn't quite follow.

 

[Sonofason]

Pangaea
View attachment 13560

From Google.


But they fit in well.

Map of Pangaea with modern continental outlines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea
Regards

What you are also missing which the expanding earth theory shows is that all of the tectonic plates that surround the Pacific Ocean also fit together. When Pangaea existed, there were no oceans. All continents were joined together on all sides.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So your saying there is no real science to show before or after an alleged singularity? I understand being skeptical of things that can't be observed or measured in some way but your statement seems to go a little beyond that. Predictions from science shows we can know things even before we are able to test it completely. Yet your beliefs are right in line with what some string theories are saying so it doesn't quite follow.

Predictions of scientific models of reality in any field are one thing....proof that these predictions are correct is another.. Science is in its relative early stages....its practical application is the ultimate proof of maturity of the science. A lot of theoretical science though can not be proved, but presents an approximate model of reality.....and is in a state of flux as new scientific research opens new avenues of insight and understanding... There is nothing wrong with that...it is the way it evolves...

 

[paarsurrey]

What you are also missing which the expanding earth theory shows is that all of the tectonic plates that surround the Pacific Ocean also fit together. When Pangaea existed, there were no oceans. All continents were joined together on all sides.

Why should not the tectonic plates fit together? Please
Regards

 

[Sonofason]

Why should not the tectonic plates fit together? Please
Regards

Look at any fabricated map of Pangaea, and you will see all the continents bunched together on one side of the earth with a great and vast ocean surrounding this super-continent. That never happened. There were no oceans when Pangaea existed.

 

[paarsurrey]

Look at any fabricated map of Pangaea, and you will see all the continents bunched together on one side of the earth with a great and vast ocean surrounding this super-continent. That never happened. There were no oceans when Pangaea existed.

OK.
Is it possible that Pangaea was a solid mass that was bulged, one G-d sent water from the skies to form ocean, the mass solid part that bulged was the Pangaea.
Regards

 

[Demonslayer]

Look at any fabricated map of Pangaea, and you will see all the continents bunched together on one side of the earth with a great and vast ocean surrounding this super-continent. That never happened. There were no oceans when Pangaea existed.

What are you saying, that when Pangaea existed the Earth was completely dry?

 

[BSM1]

What are you saying, that when Pangaea existed the Earth was completely dry?

Then wouldn't have been one big continent?

 

[Milton Platt]

What you are also missing which the expanding earth theory shows is that all of the tectonic plates that surround the Pacific Ocean also fit together. When Pangaea existed, there were no oceans. All continents were joined together on all sides.

So you are saying the earth is expanding, or or you saying there was no water on earth to fill the oceans? Can you provide the information that you have obtained that has eluded scientists for decades?

 

[leibowde84]

OK.
Is it possible that Pangaea was a solid mass that was bulged, one G-d sent water from the skies to form ocean, the mass solid part that bulged was the Pangaea.
Regards

Is there any evidence to support this? I mean, anything is possible, but plausibility requires much more.

 

[Milton Platt]

The Bible says 'in the beginning God created... ' The concept of a specific beginning, a singular creation event, was considered 'religious pseudoscience' by most atheists, who rejected and mocked Lemaitre's primeval atom theory as 'Big Bang' for that explicit reason. They overwhelmingly preferred static, eternal, steady state models for the opposite rationale (no creation = no creator)

It's understandable why people might have believed in uncreated universes back then, but in this day and age?!

That was a scientific position , not an atheistic one specifically, although if you had confidence in the scientific method of examining reality, you would accept that view as generally correct at the time. The great thing about science is that it's theories are subject to change as more imformstion becomes available. And that is what happened in this case. Why is that a problem? Do you prefer to simply decide you have absolute truth and just dig your heels in and refuse to honestly look at evidence that may change what you think is right?

 

[Milton Platt]

Okay but why do scientists still insist on subduction zones? They do not exist. There are no continents driving underneath other continents and becoming absorbed by the mantle. Its just not happening. India has always been attached to Asia. It did not break off of Africa and drift across the Indian ocean and smash into Asia creating the Himalayas. There was no super-continent Pangaea on one side of the earth with a vast ocean on the other. When all the continents were attached, before the earth fractured from expanding all the continents were connected and they encompassed the entire earth's surface. There were no oceans at that time, before the flood.[/QUOTE

Subduction zones are not about one continent driving underneath another, there are subduction zones in the Pacific rim, for instance, beneath the ocean.