which is greater?

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

There is NO SEPERATION - I and the Father are ONE

The Father (spirit) IS the MIND that REALISES (makes real) the material creation, the worlds of form, structure, and it EXPERIENCES these worlds it has created THROUGH the individualised spirit we call a Soul - US, individual Souls remain ALWAYS a fully integral part of the Father ALWAYS - it is all occuirng as a phenomena of MIND - and is fully integral, inseperable from the Father Spirit (Mind) that CAUSES all existance to be known..

In a very VERY real sense - the worlds so created AND the individual Souls that inhabit them AND the entire EXPERIENCE of those indiviidual Souls as they "live mortal lives", all together, each as vital and necassary as any other - for they ALL comprise the Mind and totality of my Father - it is literally EVERYTHING at ALL times and ALL places...Whatever exists has existed or Will EVER exist, all comes forth FROM my Fathers Mind...We are quite literally " a train of thought" occuring within its Divine Mind..

NO SEPERATION - not EVER....Creator and Creation are the SAME ENTITY....Look - take away the "creator" and see now the "creation" has no origin or cause and so cannot actualy exist at all..

And see - take away the creation itself - and now the "creatorr" does not exist as it is NOT creating and is a state of "none existance"....They are one and the same phenomena - inseperable - opposite polarity to all existance - duality.. And this leads to the real hard questions then - WHICH CAME FIRST - and WHY..??...

(for those answers, really, there is only Christ)......

 

[Ana.J]

The question is fundamentally flawed because it rests on the assumption of a creator.

Do you mean The Creator or any creator as a concept? Because I can cook a tasty meal and it will be my creation An no one will doubt that I am a creator.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Do you mean The Creator or any creator as a concept? Because I can cook a tasty meal and it will be my creation An no one will doubt that I am a creator.

The capital "C"s using with Creator and Creation in the OP indicate that we are talking about an assumed Creator God and His creation, the cosmos.

 

[Father Heathen]

 

[Sleeppy]

Maybe, but certainly not in the Christian belief.

You sure?

 

[`mud]

But.....could He create something greater than Himself ??
Now.....to lift that pile of........Who's there to lift ?.
~
'mud

 

[Thief]

I might point out.....

creation draws into existence
manipulation just rearranges what is at hand

Man cannot create
we call ourselves creative....but we are manipulators

 

[Thief]

It is the difference between looking up at the majesty of a full night sky, and then having some ideas about how it got there.

care to venture.......what creating might be?

 

[viole]

DawudTalut said: ↑
If there is Justice, for fair Justice Hereafter is needed. So God is always needed as I believe.



I meant Justice in world. If one kills an innocent, one gets maximum sentence of death. But if one kills 1000 innocents, one still get one death sentence, so there has to be a medium where full reward must be paid. That is why Hereafter is needed.

I agree.

Our innate need for justice is one of the main reasons why people made up the hereafter and things like judgement day.

Ciao

- viole

 

[DawudTalut]

......Our innate need for justice is one of the main reasons why people made up the hereafter and things like judgement day.
.....

In this 3 dimensional world, human cannot experience full manifestation of God. To have it, Hereafter is required too.

 

[idav]

I might point out.....

creation draws into existence
manipulation just rearranges what is at hand

Man cannot create
we call ourselves creative....but we are manipulators

So is god, a manipulator. Otherwise how would god exist in the first place without having to be made? People wanna just say god just exists which can equally apply to the universe itself, its the only thing powerful enough that we can actually see.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In some cases, the Created becomes greater than the Creator.

 

[Willamena]

Neither.

Next question.

 

[Willamena]

I agree.

Our innate need for justice is one of the main reasons why people made up the hereafter and things like judgement day.

Ciao

- viole

I can't imagine any way in which that's true... Unless perhaps people envision this life as a punishment?

 

[Thief]

Neither.

Next question.

justify your response

 

[Willamena]

justify your response

They are both concepts that shape reality. See post #24.

 

[Thief]

So is god, a manipulator. Otherwise how would god exist in the first place without having to be made? People wanna just say god just exists which can equally apply to the universe itself, its the only thing powerful enough that we can actually see.

substance is not self starting
it will remain motionless until moved

but of course ( I thought it was obvious)
once the form of substance and motion have gelled....
God will abide

prepare to step from a high ledge while asking Him to stay gravity

(note: do not tempt the Lord God)

 

[Thief]

I agree.

Our innate need for justice is one of the main reasons why people made up the hereafter and things like judgement day.

Ciao

- viole

no life after death?
no life greater than this physical form?

no form of life in Spirit?

 

[Willamena]

substance is not self starting
it will remain motionless until moved

Or just remain motionless.

but of course ( I thought it was obvious)
once the form of substance and motion have gelled....
God will abide

prepare to step from a high ledge while asking Him to stay gravity

Who is it, stepping from a high ledge?

 

[idav]

substance is not self starting
it will remain motionless until moved

Of course you grant the exception to god. Why is it that nothing can be self starting and needs a mover except for god? Quite convenient.