Shermana
Heretic
Where does it say it happens all over night?
If you want to stop believing things that aren't explicitly in the Tanakh, you may want to throw out the entire Talmud and corpus of Rabbinical commentary.
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Which prophecies did Jesus fulfill as to be the Messiah?
- Thread starter Me Myself
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Where does it say it happens all over night?
If you want to stop believing things that aren't explicitly in the Tanakh, you may want to throw out the entire Talmud and corpus of Rabbinical commentary.
AmbiguousGuy
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OK, I'll just continue to prove that Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies then.
Me Myself
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Pphh, after distorting e prophecies to a place where anyone could fulfill them.
I still havent heard it:
How did Jesus causes that nations stopped using their swords against other nations? How did he caused that they stopped teaching war?
Shermana
Heretic
Again, I don't think its about someone fulfilling the prophecy so much as the prophecies happening after his arrival. The text doesn't say "He will do this, he will do that" so much as "This will happen afterwards and that will happen".
Seriously, look who the figure is behind the rise of the Abrahamic god being recognized by over 51% of the world population.
AmbiguousGuy
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Anyone can fulfill any prophecy... obviously. That's my point.
If you believe otherwise, I believe you are confused about language.
CMike
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You are just making a mockery of them.
Based on your creativity anyone can fulfill the prophesies.
However, the prophesies are there so the jews will know who the messiah is.
Even though it means nothing to you what the actual messianic propheises are, it does mean a lot to jews.
CMike
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That's based on your twisted interpretation, not based on the intent of the authors.
CMike
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No one said that it will happen overnight.
However, the messiah will fulfill them. That's how the jews know who the messiah is.
Since jesus is dead and didn't fulfill the messianic prophesies we know he can't be the messiah.
Me Myself
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Please dont tell me he is a figure for jews being more together or world peace coming sooner.
Me Myself
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I am not playing sophisms here
You still havent said how he made people stop use swords on warfare.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
there were many eyewitnesses who saw Jesus raised to life after he was put to death. Even the Torah says that by two witnesses a matter is firmly established. Jesus had hundreds (up to 500) who saw him alive.
He was raised by God as a spirit (back to his original form) and therefore he is still alive
Me Myself
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The bible cant even get straight how many people did see him or if they spoke or remain quiet after it.
Regardless, the prophecies are not fulfilled, so for now, there doesnt seem to be any messiah.
Jews not united in israel. War is as common as ever. Torah is not on people's hear without having read it.
Shermana
Heretic
If they are all fulfilled at once by one individual during one lifetime, whether it takes 1 year or 30, that's still the "overnight" concept.
Where does the text explicitly say that this individual will cause those events to happen himself during his lifetime?
Shermana
Heretic
Doesn't matter if they are united. They have gone from a few thousand in the land to over 5 million. The number of people who believe in the Abrahamic god has gone from .25% of world population to 51%. The prophecies are unfolding. The dissolution of war is the "Final ending", the happily ever after to the long unfolding saga.
AmbiguousGuy
Well-Known Member
I am not playing sophisms here
I doubt you understand what sophism means. I'm not sure I've ever met anyone willing to define it. Usually it's just used as an insult.
Sure I did. But if my anwer doesn't satisfy you, craft a careful question and ask it of me.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Maybe when it mentions jesus in the christian bible there was in reality no jesus.
Perhaps the jesus they were referring to meant just be nice to others.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Because the messiah will be a mortal man. And mortal men have one lifetime.
CMike
Well-Known Member
I doubt it. There are many things in the christian bible that are blatantly wrong.
The most blatant one is how Pilate (the poor innocent victim) was told by the jews what to do when in fact he was a brutal oppressor of the jews who would care less about the opinion of the jews was.
Also the stories of how jesus was almost killed by the jews by supposedly savings someone's life on shabbos. However, any jew who knows jewish law knows that it's permissable to violate the sabbath to save a life.
There is a lot there where anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of judaism knows is utterly false.
Also since G-D said there is only him in numerous passages and no one else has divine power he couldn't have risen from the dead.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Plus let me go back to points made earlier, namely that one could not be declared "the Messiah" until all the prophecies were complete. Therefore, even if one believes that Jesus is "the Messiah", that certainly would be premature.
AmbiguousGuy
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I happen to agree. I don't think there was a Jesus in the time and place as claimed for him. I think Mark made him up.
But I'm not sure what your point might be.