Which prophecies did Jesus fulfill as to be the Messiah?

[Shermana]

So you think God does treat them as Jews and under the Mosaic Law ? What supports your this faith?

What supports your faith that God does not treat them as under the Mosaic Law?

 

[Hawkins]

What supports your faith that God does not treat them as under the Mosaic Law?

I added the comment that as far as I recall, in the book of revelation it is said some Jews may not be the Jews at all in God's eye.

I will try to find the verse out when I have time.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So you think God does treat them as Jews and under the Mosaic Law ? What supports your this faith?

I do not believe in your god. However, I believe that the Jews have the right to their tribal deity, Yahweh. Christians and Muslims are the interlopers when it comes to this subject. So basically you believe in supersessionism or replacement theology?

 

[Me Myself]

again, you don't understand what I'm saying. Daughters can receive inheritance. But they can't give one. You inherit from your father. Which was the case with job

Has someone yet replied this effectively?

Where does it say women can give inheritance?

 

[metis]

You are clueless again ?

Self claim Jews means they believe by faith that they are under the Old covenant which Mosaic Law will be used for the judgment.

So is it true that you, as a Jew, still under the old covenant ?

If you failed to abide by Mosaic Law, you make not much difference from a Gentile. We believe that , not all Jews will be considered as Jews by God.

There is no "old covenant" because Torah states over and over again that God will not break His word to us, and that the Covenant is "forever" and "perpetual". Also, it seems you're assuming that I don't abide by the Mosaiic Law, so what is your basis for that assumption?

Secondly, being "Jewish" is a nationality, not a religion. My wife is an Italian who's Christian, so do you think she would be not considered Italian if she doesn't agree with you?

 

[Pegg]

again, you don't understand what I'm saying. Daughters can receive inheritance. But they can't give one. You inherit from your father. Which was the case with job

Yes, daughters could inherit land from their fathers as the examples show above, But not all inheritence is a physical inheritence. Some inheritences were a 'blessing' as was the case with Jacob and Esau.

Mary was born in the line of King David so any children she bore were also of the line of king David and this makes them all equally from Davids family line and that was the line which would produce the messiah. The fact that Mary was in Davids line is all that was needed.

 

[Me Myself]

Yes, daughters could inherit land from their fathers as the examples show above, But not all inheritence is a physical inheritence. Some inheritences were a 'blessing' as was the case with Jacob and Esau.
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Did you deliberately missed what he said?

You bo agree they can recieve inheritance, what he is asking you to evidence is that they could PASS inheritance.

Please read two times the fragment you quoted form him, I think he was pretty clear and striaghtfoward there.

 

[Pegg]

Did you deliberately missed what he said?

You bo agree they can recieve inheritance, what he is asking you to evidence is that they could PASS inheritance.

in the case of the messiah, it was the 'family line' that was needed. Not an inheritance of any kind but being born in the line of King David.

when you trace mary's family line, she is from one of King Davids sons. That is all that was needed....she didnt have to pass on anything to him.

The messiah had to be from the family line of King David and through Mary, Jesus was.

 

[Me Myself]

in the case of the messiah, it was the 'family line' that was needed. Not an inheritance of any kind but being born in the line of King David.

when you trace mary's family line, she is from one of King Davids sons. That is all that was needed....she didnt have to pass on anything to him.

The messiah had to be from the family line of King David and through Mary, Jesus was.

Would this reasoning work for example when determining koheins?

 

[Sleeppy]

Did you deliberately missed what he said?

You bo agree they can recieve inheritance, what he is asking you to evidence is that they could PASS inheritance.

Please read two times the fragment you quoted form him, I think he was pretty clear and straightforward there.

What do Jews use maternal genealogies for?

Why is a child only considered Jewish according to the mother?


Where did/does the need for maternal and paternal genealogies come from?

 

[Pegg]

Would this reasoning work for example when determining koheins?

Theoretically yes. A genealogy would prove their family line is from the levites.

but unfortunately, in 70ce all the genealogical records of the priests were destroyed when Rome flattened the temple in Jerusalem.

 

[gnostic]

So... Sounds like he is clearly not the messiah. The jews are not in peace and as you clearly point out no one is, so either e prophecy about the messiah is wrong or Jesus is not the messiah.

Or it could be both.

 

[CMike]

Yes, daughters could inherit land from their fathers as the examples show above, But not all inheritence is a physical inheritence. Some inheritences were a 'blessing' as was the case with Jacob and Esau.

Mary was born in the line of King David so any children she bore were also of the line of king David and this makes them all equally from Davids family line and that was the line which would produce the messiah. The fact that Mary was in Davids line is all that was needed.

No it doesn't.

Tribal lineage goes solely by the biological father.

Inheritance of money can be for the daughter as well, but that's not what we are talkign about.

You don't get to make up jewish law.

 

[CMike]

Has someone yet replied this effectively?

Where does it say women can give inheritance?

During this episode.

It has to do with women getting inheritance, not giving inheritance.

A Daughter of Zelophehad Speaks - Chassidic Thought

 

[CMike]

Would this reasoning work for example when determining koheins?

No. What she said is wrong.

I often wonder how non jews are such experts on jewish law.

 

[CMike]

What do Jews use maternal genealogies for?

Why is a child only considered Jewish according to the mother?


Where did/does the need for maternal and paternal genealogies come from?

For father it comes from here.

Numbers - Chapter 1 (Parshah Bamidbar) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

If you notice people were placed in tribes based on their father's house.

 

[Shermana]

Theoretically yes. A genealogy would prove their family line is from the levites.

but unfortunately, in 70ce all the genealogical records of the priests were destroyed when Rome flattened the temple in Jerusalem.

Please prove that a family line would indicate Levite descent from the mother at any point in ancient Israelite history.

 

[Sleeppy]

For father it comes from here.

Numbers - Chapter 1 (Parshah Bamidbar) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

If you notice people were placed in tribes based on their father's house.

For what reason(s), other than it being written?

 

[CMike]

For what reason(s), other than it being written?

Because G-d wanted it that way.

I don't know a further reason.

 

[JayJayDee]

What do Jews use maternal genealogies for?

Why is a child only considered Jewish according to the mother?


Where did/does the need for maternal and paternal genealogies come from?

"Jewish" is a designation that one is a son of Abraham. You have to be born of at least one Jewish parent to be considered "Jewish". I don't know the technicalities, but it would appear that either parent could pass on the lineage to Abraham.

Timothy was born of a Jewish mother and a Greek father. He was 'taught the holy writings from infancy' by his mother and grandmother, yet he was not circumcised. As men are the head of the household, Timothy's Greek father may not have consented to it. Paul circumcised Timothy later, so that he would not stumble Jewish people who were loyal to God's law.

The real difference between Jews and Christians is acceptance of Jesus as Messiah. I don't know how anyone coming into the world today and claiming to be the Jewish Messiah, could fulfill prophesy more than Jesus did. His genealogy for a start could not be proven as all the records were destroyed when Jerusalem was taken by the Romans in 70 C.E.
So many of the "Messianic prophesies" were open to interpretation, so some of them had no real application at all but were used as evidence that Jesus was not "the one".

Jesus denounced the Jewish religious leaders of the day for their attitude towards the written word of God, instead preferring the flawed interpretation of arrogant men who were responsible for "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" being "lost" in the first place.

Christendom repeated their mistake, as foretold, preferring the traditions of men rather than the word of God. Men always apostatise. This is why sticking to what is written is more reliable.

When Jesus replied to satan in the temptations, each time he said "it is written".