Which Religion is For Me?

[dust1n]

DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF A RELIGION THAT HAS SOME SORT OF EXPLANATION ABOUT OUR CONSCIOUSNESS OR IMAGINATION, SOMETHING A LITTLE BETTER THAN A DIVINE PATH OR CREATIONISM, I KNOW MY CONSCIOUSNESS AND IMAGINATION EXISTS BECAUSE I EXISTS AS BOTH OF THEM, YET MOST RELIGIONS DISMISS THESE TWO CRUCIAL FACTS?

Why not just read a book?

http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Consciousness-Matter-Becomes-Imagination/dp/0465013775

 

[coolkeg]

@Orias your belief structure seems very similar to mine indeed, however i personally believe there is more to our imagination than any evolutionary process which is how it would be defined as scientifically, on the spiritual side of the imagination i would like to know if you have any opinions regarding its true nature as i would define it, something more than any physical or chemical realm, something i cant quite grasp yet.

also on morals i would disagree, i believe morals are very real and change relative to our perception of them, i.e. what i define as good or bad morally will differ from the next persons because of my subjective perceptions of these morals

 

[Orias]

Why not just read a book?

Amazon.com: A Universe Of Consciousness How Matter Becomes Imagination…

Why not just read mulitple books and get multiple perspectives from multiple people?

That is a cool link though

 

[dust1n]

@dogsgod im already burning in hell and your gods got nothing to say about the matter, watch him watch me starve to death and then try tell me this. or watch your god watch your daughter get raped, i mean he's omnipresent RIGHT?, im not looking for god, im looking for answers about spirituality, consciousness and imagination, to be honest i look at god every time i pass the mirror and he always smiles back

He was being sarcastic, btw. You get use to sarcasm on here.

 

[dust1n]

Why not just read mulitple books and get multiple perspectives from multiple people?

That's an even better idea.

 

[Orias]

@Orias your belief structure seems very similar to mine indeed, however i personally believe there is more to our imagination than any evolutionary process which is how it would be defined as scientifically, on the spiritual side of the imagination i would like to know if you have any opinions regarding its true nature as i would define it, something more than any physical or chemical realm, something i cant quite grasp yet.

Well there is indeed chemical and physical reactions in the brain/mind, but the outcome is out of this world.. Spiritually is of true nature in attempt to understand what is not understood. As for divinity though, it only exists within the deepest part of the mind, for you create, making you a God.

Satanism has no limits of the mind, science cannot define what is the imaginative and creative structures of the mind, because science is of imaginative and creative structure, inducing both inductive and deductive reasoning into the basis of it's foundation.

also on morals i would disagree, i believe morals are very real and change relative to our perception of them, i.e. what i define as good or bad morally will differ from the next persons because of my subjective perceptions of these morals

Well you see here, morality is only real because we make it so. A lion does not posses morals, as a whale does not either. They just do what they do, likewise with humans.

But I see your point there...however I beg to differ, morality is of perception and not beyond it.

We are what we are, and we exist in the life in which we are birthed into, but that does not mean you cannot venture past the depths of your universal mind.

I see that you are only two years older than me as well.

 

[coolkeg]

@Madhuri i appreciate your reply, however i did open this thread to specifically challenge two major issues: consciousness and imagination, any information on these two specific subjects is what interests me, i would also argue god cant be infinite because then all it could be defined as is maths as that is the only thing known to be infinite, i.e. mass has its mathematical limit, such as all matter in the universe could be calculated to some sort of number all be extraordinarily large but still not infinite, same can be said about the speed of light or the forces that atoms created when pulled apart, all have mathematical limits, if god is infinite he could be defined as Einstein e=mc2 if you replace the c with todays largest constant, which is more than likely something a computer would create, or maybe something such as a googolplex, either way if you want to define god as infinite then either maths doesn't exists, god doesn't exist, or god in some twisted reality is maths, this answer doesn't stimulate me as im not sure maths could ever explain fully life or how it was life came about, probability plays around in the area of creation but still cant be proven, if you have any concept of what im talking about then we are on the same page.

 

[dogsgod]

@dogsgod im already burning in hell and your gods got nothing to say about the matter, watch him watch me starve to death and then try tell me this. or watch your god watch your daughter get raped, i mean he's omnipresent RIGHT?, im not looking for god, im looking for answers about spirituality, consciousness and imagination, to be honest i look at god every time i pass the mirror and he always smiles back

I didn't think you'd fall for that silly God and Hellfire stuff, but you'd be surprised at how many people do.

 

[coolkeg]

@Orias you says morals are only real because we make them so, this is true, but only as true as that our mind makes everything exist, to the same extent money isnt real, it gets printed by a central bank or a treasury and then devaluates the relative currency, however how do you tell a multi billion air that everything he owns is fallacy, its simple, you dont, you play the game and allow money to exist, in the same sense, how do you tell someone who has done good all his/her life on the back hand of idealism of morals that infact their morals aint real and they are living a lie based on their perceptions, again, its simple, you dont tell them and you allow them to live a good life, which therefor makes there morals real in the same way money exists, maybe not the greatest explanation but i could use our senses as another example of how me make things exists that perhaps dont quite exist

 

[coolkeg]

@dogsgod lol, yeh the daughter rape thing was a bit harsh, but religious organisation are renowned for there scare tactics and it kinda disgusts me, using age old tricks for their specific gain, you got any insight on imagination mr scare man?

 

[Luminous]

in other words if i cant find a religion(easy option) that accepts my idealisms im sure i can find a shrink(bad option)

I would assume the safest course is to release yourself of the burden upon your imagination and accept the fact that you are agnostic. that way, no more religions will be invented up based on the suffering that stems from desire.

 

[coolkeg]

@books i could read books and ive read many, but id prefer a debate on such an important subject rather than read a book or two and presume i understand all there is to know

 

[Madhuri]

@Madhuri i appreciate your reply, however i did open this thread to specifically challenge two major issues: consciousness and imagination, any information on these two specific subjects is what interests me, i would also argue god cant be infinite because then all it could be defined as is maths as that is the only thing known to be infinite, i.e. mass has its mathematical limit, such as all matter in the universe could be calculated to some sort of number all be extraordinarily large but still not infinite, same can be said about the speed of light or the forces that atoms created when pulled apart, all have mathematical limits, if god is infinite he could be defined as Einstein e=mc2 if you replace the c with todays largest constant, which is more than likely something a computer would create, or maybe something such as a googolplex, either way if you want to define god as infinite then either maths doesn't exists, god doesn't exist, or god in some twisted reality is maths, this answer doesn't stimulate me as im not sure maths could ever explain fully life or how it was life came about, probability plays around in the area of creation but still cant be proven, if you have any concept of what im talking about then we are on the same page.

So you are saying that the universe is not or cannot be infinite? Or that existence is not or cannot be infinite?

 

[coolkeg]

@Luminous up too this point in time i have been releasing the burden of not grasping the concept of an all powerful being upon my imagination but all it creates is a physical representation of the universe and the simplicity of the laws that construct it (essentially gravity) after that you expand and say that perhaps our universe is something like the quantum physics of our world and perhaps if we could slow these tiny particles down enough we might see universes exploding and imploding all over the place to give our universe its reality and in much the same way our universe gives matter to even larger scale universes etc etc but that would mean that we are un-consciously gods of our own universe in much the same way that our god is what our universe makes up? this is fine to play around with theoretical concepts and such but none of it gives homosapians any meaning, we still dont know WHY life started and why we are such an advanced form of it, any1 got any better ideas? im all out LOL

 

[Rainbow Mage]

When it comes to religion, have you ever considered the road less traveled? (I mean Paganism)

 

[coolkeg]

@Madhuri Time and maths are infinite yes so in a way existence of say matter is to some extent infinite, however im not quite sure how you comprehend time but if you could for a second imagine that if the chaos of the universe was to slow down and eventually the law of gravity bring things back to unity, change wont actually exist therefor neither would time (as time is change?) and even though the matter of an object may still exist, it isnt changing so it would be infinity doing nothing....if this is your god then cool, mine i hope, has a little more about it than infinity being....

 

[xkatz]

If I may, I recommend looking on youtube/wikipedia/google and searching for various religions. The info on the internet is extremely useful and it is one of the things I can say that I truly appreciate in this day and age. You also might want to go to a library/book store and get some books. If you are leaning towards Buddhism, a great book I recommend is The Complete Idiot's Guide to Buddhism by Gary Gach. It's a great read and not too hard to understand. It's also easily available at many bookstores and/or amazon.com (I think). Another book I have that is good but covers several world religions is Encyclopedia of the World's Religions. It covers a lot about Buddhism (although not as much as the Idiot's Guide) and has a ton of info about it and other faiths. I do not it's availability however since I got it through a friend. So anyways, as I have said before, you are best off deciding yourself, and doing a lot research to find a religion that suits you.

Hope that helps.

 

[coolkeg]

@Yosef the Heretic no, like i said i dont have much religious knowledge, that is, on specific religions, i have philosophical knowledge and i want too mix the two, i think pagans worship nature? but i know nothing else of them.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Well we don't all worship nature. Native Americans, Celtics, and some others certainly venerate nature. We also have deities, ancestral spirits, and friend spirits we usually believe in.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I invite you to start a thread about Kemetic Orthodoxy if you'd like to know more about it