Which religion offers the right path to God?

[Zardoz]

... but just incase you don't know in baghdad before the crusaders came, there was a building in which muslims , jews and christians all went for worship. in the same bulding...

That is beautiful, I'd say those people were blessed.

I guess there is a subtle line, between belief that one's faith is the right path, and belief one's faith is the only path.

As I explained in my first post in this thread, I believe that G-d reaches out to various tribes of Man in ways that suit each. Who am I, to criticize a plan of G-d? If the faith that G-d established is 'right' with G-d in that situation then it's not for me to say otherwise, even if it's not 'right' for me. How about Best path debate instead of Right path? May be better. A Right implies a Wrong, and I will call no faith in G-d 'wrong'.

 

[Gharib]

Esalam wrote:

"well god is flawless, so we just analyse all the gods and scriptures of all the religions and the one that is flawless is the right religion and speaks of the one true god."

So are you telling me that you have analysed all of the gods and all of the scriptures of all of the religions?

no i haven't analysed all the religions. and i wants making a challenge. i was just saying that the true religion of god would stand out from the rest. and the only way to come to a conclusion would be to do a comparative study of all the religions to every last word that they say.

And if so, how do a flawed human being recognise perfection? Can you even define perfection for me?

yeah it is hard to recognise perfection because each human sees different things as perfection. but we can recognise imperfection. and the question mark is which religion is the least imperfect?

perfect: the state of being without a flaw or defect.

one example being the human body and that of every other creature. we do recognise perfection after all.

 

[Gharib]

I believe if one was a Moslem and chooses to convert to Christianity, he will find life made difficult.

thats the same in all religions. do you think a christian family would be happy that their child became a muslim?

 

[Gharib]

Koran 9:29
This is what many of our enemies believe about the rest of the worlds population:
“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191

190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123

119. O ye who believe! Fear Allah and be with those who are true (in word and deed).
120. It was not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs of the neighbourhood, to refuse to follow Allah.s Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his: because nothing could they suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness,- whether they suffered thirst, or fatigue, or hunger, in the cause of Allah, or trod paths to raise the ire of the Unbelievers, or received any injury whatever from an enemy: for Allah suffereth not the reward to be lost of those who do good;-
121. Nor could they spend anything (for the cause) - small or great- nor cut across a valley, but the deed is inscribed to their credit: that Allah may requite their deed with the best (possible reward).
122. Nor should the Believers all go forth together: if a contingent from every expedition remained behind, they could devote themselves to studies in religion, and admonish the people when they return to them,- that thus they (may learn) to guard themselves (against evil). 123. O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5

3. And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge. 7. How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.

“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85

84. Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."
85. If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
86. How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? but Allah guides not a people unjust.

“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30

30. The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah.s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33

33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
34. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

“The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” Koran 9:28

28. O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

it is talking about the Kabah. not just any mosque. non muslims are not allowed in the kabah or in mecca.

“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19

19. These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water.
20. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins.
21. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. 22. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

it is talking aboout the punishment of hell.

“Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4

1. Those who reject Allah and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah,- their deeds will Allah render astray (from their mark).
2. But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.
3. This because those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the Truth from their Lord: Thus does Allah set forth for men their lessons by similitudes. 4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65

64. O Messenger. sufficient unto thee is Allah,- (unto thee) and unto those who follow thee among the Believers.
65. O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.

“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28

28. Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12

12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
13. This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger. If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. 14. Thus (will it be said): "Taste ye then of the (punishment): for those who resist Allah, is the penalty of the Fire."

“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60

60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. 61. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

 

[Madhuri]

yeah it is hard to recognise perfection because each human sees different things as perfection. but we can recognise imperfection. and the question mark is which religion is the least imperfect?

perfect: the state of being without a flaw or defect.

one example being the human body and that of every other creature. we do recognise perfection after all.

Although I agree with you I know plenty of people who would disagree and say that the human and other creatures are imperfect- I think is also because we all define perfection differently. It's a very subjective thing. I agree with you in that when I look at everything in the universe I see beauty and it seems as though things are the way they should be even though I might not like everything. But that is just my personal observation. And perhaps that is why you and me believe in God, though we have different concepts of that God.

I might as well point out, though I'm sure you know, that a lot of people find imperfection in the Bible and Q'uran and basically every scripture which is why those particular people do not follow that religious path. I personally see all religions as imperfect to some degree because humans have manipulated them through time. We place our own interpretations on others and these are adopted for a while and then change in a different time and context. I think that God is perfect, but man does not understand God enough to represent that perfection properly in this world.

Just my thoughts...

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

no i haven't analysed all the religions. and i wants making a challenge. i was just saying that the true religion of god would stand out from the rest. and the only way to come to a conclusion would be to do a comparative study of all the religions to every last word that they say.

Which you obviously havent done yet.
And looking at the religions we have either nobody has done so or no true religion exists because none stands out from the rest.
Reeligious faith is "obviously" mainly a matter of your region of birth and your social surroundings.

yeah it is hard to recognise perfection because each human sees different things as perfection. but we can recognise imperfection. and the question mark is which religion is the least imperfect?

If we can't recognize perfection because of personal preferences then the same would be valid for imperfection.
Which religion is the "least" imperfect is not an equivalent to it being true.

 

[Gharib]

Although I agree with you I know plenty of people who would disagree and say that the human and other creatures are imperfect- I think is also because we all define perfection differently. It's a very subjective thing. I agree with you in that when I look at everything in the universe I see beauty and it seems as though things are the way they should be even though I might not like everything. But that is just my personal observation. And perhaps that is why you and me believe in God, though we have different concepts of that God.

I might as well point out, though I'm sure you know, that a lot of people find imperfection in the Bible and Q'uran and basically every scripture which is why those particular people do not follow that religious path. I personally see all religions as imperfect to some degree because humans have manipulated them through time. We place our own interpretations on others and these are adopted for a while and then change in a different time and context. I think that God is perfect, but man does not understand God enough to represent that perfection properly in this world.

Just my thoughts...

very good post. frubals to you. but just to let you know, i don't consider islam to be imperfect. the people who are muslims are imperfect in representing islam though. same with all religions, every religion orders good but not all are from god.

having said that, i've recently heard a Qestion and Answer lecture by Zakir Naik and he recited some verses from a hindu scripture from the veda(s) and those verses he said are pretty similar to what islam teaches and he said that the now known books of hinduism may have been sent from Allah, because Allah has sent a prophet to every nation but due to hinduism being about idols and all that he said the original scipture may have been changed over time.

is there a website that has these vedas so i can look the verses up, i'm very interested in reading them myself.

 

[jwag]

scientology is no different to any other religion even it is only young compared to others.

just because the "bible" was writton 2000 years ago doesn't make it any more or less true than scientologies Xenu and thier beliefs.

 

[England my lionheart]

thats the same in all religions. do you think a christian family would be happy that their child became a muslim?

Big difference Eselam Christianity does'nt punish Apostacy

 

[K.Venugopal]

i've recently heard a Qestion and Answer lecture by Zakir Naik and he recited some verses from a hindu scripture from the veda(s) and those verses he said are pretty similar to what islam teaches and he said that the now known books of hinduism may have been sent from Allah, because Allah has sent a prophet to every nation but due to hinduism being about idols and all that he said the original scipture may have been changed over time.

Zakir Naik approaches the Vedas to see if it has any similarities with the Quran. No harm in that. However, he is limited in his discoveries because as a Muslim he is not supposed to consider as valid the essence of Vedic teachings - the oneness of existence. In modern parlance, this teaching is called the non-dual teaching. Since Islam is a dualistic religion (where it is unable to go beyond the Creator-created duality), no Muslim fearing Allah would dare to appreciate the non-dual teachings of the Vedas.

 

[Madhuri]

very good post. frubals to you. but just to let you know, i don't consider islam to be imperfect. the people who are muslims are imperfect in representing islam though. same with all religions, every religion orders good but not all are from god.

having said that, i've recently heard a Qestion and Answer lecture by Zakir Naik and he recited some verses from a hindu scripture from the veda(s) and those verses he said are pretty similar to what islam teaches and he said that the now known books of hinduism may have been sent from Allah, because Allah has sent a prophet to every nation but due to hinduism being about idols and all that he said the original scipture may have been changed over time.

is there a website that has these vedas so i can look the verses up, i'm very interested in reading them myself.

Haha, I believe the Vedas are perfect and from God But misunderstood by many of course...
I just want to let you know...Hinduism is not all about idols. It has been a practice to see God within a statue or picture so that the human can feel a physical connection to God and way to focus worship. When the devotee becomes mroe advanced and is able to connect with God within his/her heart, the 'idol' is not necessary. It acts I suppose as a focus point and a tool to help the individual learn to feel God's presence and devote oneself to Him.

Now, about a website. This is difficult because the Vedas are not one book but many, many, many. The Bhagavadgita and Srimad Bhagavatam are the two main ones that have been translated in the west and placed online. I can provide links but it is still a lot to go through if you are looking for somethign specific. If you like, you can tell me what you are looking for specifically and I can find it for you. What would you prefer?

 

[Madhuri]

Zakir Naik approaches the Vedas to see if it has any similarities with the Quran. No harm in that. However, he is limited in his discoveries because as a Muslim he is not supposed to consider as valid the essence of Vedic teachings - the oneness of existence. In modern parlance, this teaching is called the non-dual teaching. Since Islam is a dualistic religion (where it is unable to go beyond the Creator-created duality), no Muslim fearing Allah would dare to appreciate the non-dual teachings of the Vedas.

That is true, although there are also dualistic Hindus.

 

[Gharib]

Zakir Naik approaches the Vedas to see if it has any similarities with the Quran. No harm in that. However, he is limited in his discoveries because as a Muslim he is not supposed to consider as valid the essence of Vedic teachings - the oneness of existence. In modern parlance, this teaching is called the non-dual teaching. Since Islam is a dualistic religion (where it is unable to go beyond the Creator-created duality), no Muslim fearing Allah would dare to appreciate the non-dual teachings of the Vedas.

well the verses he quoted were very much kind of like the ones you'd se in the quran, bible and torah. i'm pretty sure they were more dualistik like than non-dualistic (their meaning). since Madhuri has explained that all the books of hinduism can't be found online and certainly not in english i'll post the chapter and verse number and from which book they were. i will look the lecture up and post the info tomorrow.

 

[Gharib]

Big difference Eselam Christianity does'nt punish Apostacy

i've heard that christians basically don't practise anything the bible says if they do not like it. so maybe christianity does have a punishment for many things including apostasy but the people do not practise it.

 

[Madhuri]

i've heard that christians basically don't practise anything the bible says if they do not like it. so maybe christianity does have a punishment for many things including apostasy but the people do not practise it.

Lol! I actually agree with this!

 

[nameless]

eselam,

you missed my post 135

 

[Madhuri]

I want to post this here as it is the relevent thread:

"Ishwar Allah Tere Naam, Sab Ko Sanmati De Bhagwaan"

"Some of us call you as Shiva
and some others as Allah
but we beg you Lord
that you bless us all."

 

[Breathe]

That's beautiful Madhuri, where is that quote from?

 

[Madhuri]

That's beautiful Madhuri, where is that quote from?

It's from the song/poem Raghupati Raghava

 

[Gharib]

if we spend the whole money according to the will of allah to please him, then what benefit with money in earth?

Allah says that if the money is spent in the way he says so, the persons wealth will grow and grow. he gives an example in the quran: spending money in the way of Allah is like planting a seed of wheat. once the seed starts to grow there are many other seeds that you will get from the one seed you originaly planted. in this case the original seed represents the money you spend to please Allah and the other seeds represent the money that Allah gives you for your charity.

he could only get rewards from allah in paradise for those good deeds, so while we are in earth there is no benefit with allah's reward.

yeah but some things that we dislike we consider a punishment and some things that we do like we consider them a reward. money for example is considered by all people as a reward when in fact it is a test for the people, will they use it for good or for bad. and the reward for either is given in the hearafter.

sorry for missing your post, i've missed quite a few.