Which Religious Scripture Is Truly The Word Of God?

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, he knows.

That does not eliminate the fact that we have a free-will. You have a free-will and you cause your demise in Hell.

But if he knows everything, then we cannot possibly have free will because god knows what we are going to do, which means we are not choosing to do any of our acts upon this so-called "free will" because god already knows what is going to happen.

 

[Jabar]

Prove that it is. The burden of proof lies with those that make boastful, supernatural claims.

For example, there is an invitation for humans to fly, indicating the possibility of flying, more than 1428 years ago.**


يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ

2. The Holy Quran tells us that there is intelligent life in outer space, where Allah (Praise to Him) is also worshipped and glorified.

In Chapter 30, Verse 26, Allah (Praise to Him) says:

To Him belongs whom are in the heavens and the Earth, all are devoutly obedient to Him.

وَلَهُ ۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلأرۡضِ‌ۖ ڪُلٌّ۬ لَّهُ ۥ قَـٰنِتُونَ

In Chapter 3, Verse 83, Allah (Praise to Him) also tells us about life in outer space saying:

Do they want other than the Religion of Allah?While (all) who are in the heavens and the Earth have willingly, or unwillingly, submitted to Him (as Muslims do), and to Him shall they be returned.

أَفَغَيۡرَ دِينِ ٱللَّهِ يَبۡغُونَ وَلَهُ ۥۤ أَسۡلَمَ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلأرۡضِ طَوۡعً۬ا وَڪَرۡهً۬ا وَإِلَيۡهِ يُرۡجَعُونَ

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the Earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? (Al-Anbiya, 21: 30 of the Holy Quran).

In Verse 11: 7, Allah praise to Him stated that His Throne was on water before He created the heavens and the Earth. So, water preceded the formation of our solar system, as scientists concluded in their most recent research.

In Verse 21: 30, Allah praise to Him stated that He caused the split of the matter to form the heavens and the Earth and that He created every living thing (in them) out of water, which was already there.

We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqahinto a mudghah (chewed substance)...

1(Quran, 23:12-14)

Scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad

). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.7

Orbits of the Sun and Moon (21:33) Never discovered it at the time

Qur'an talks about Sun has a place determined and time determined. Scientifically approved. The Sun is moving to the Solar Apex. Scientists predict that soon the sun will expire. And life will cease to exist.

Qur'an says universe is expaning. We have found out.
Qur'an says atmosphere is like a protective ceiling which it is from UV rays.

Now you tell me it is not divine? I can provide more.

Haha.

https://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1.htm

 

[Jabar]

That's not a joke, and it is calling someone out of a specific point, and even when the case is true, it's still rude at people who don't speak the language as their native tongue. For the most part, native speakers can tell the difference between a native speaker and a non-native, and the non-natives are pretty much always known for really screwing things up on occasion. We do actually have many people here who don't speak English as a primary or native language, and some of them don't yet use it that well, but they are understandable and people don't laugh at them.
And, btw, the correct way to type out that response is "You're grammar is rather substandard. So, I am assuming that you do not speak English." You used the wrong form of "you're," you always capitalize I when you are the subject, and English is always capitalized. Truth be told, these are basic elementary English rules.

Because the Quran says semen comes from a man's backbones and ribs, but every teenaged boy knows it comes from his balls.

I advice you to go read the Qur'an before you judge it, it never says it comes out from his backbone and ribs.

It says it proceeds from between the backbone and ribs. You are showing ignorance.

Seminal Vesciles are where? It never says semen comes from a man's backbone and ribs.

 

[Jabar]

But if he knows everything, then we cannot possibly have free will because god knows what we are going to do, which means we are not choosing to do any of our acts upon this so-called "free will" because god already knows what is going to happen.

We are choosing what we want to do.

God already knows the future of what our outcome will be.

We have a free will and your point makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

2. The Holy Quran tells us that there is intelligent life in outer space, where Allah (Praise to Him) is also worshipped and glorified.

That is something that requires more proof than just the words of the Quran. We don't even factually know if there is intelligent life on other planets.

To Him belongs whom are in the heavens and the Earth, all are devoutly obedient to Him.

Obviously not all are devoultly obedient to him.

In Verse 11: 7, Allah praise to Him stated that His Throne was on water before He created the heavens and the Earth. So, water preceded the formation of our solar system, as scientists concluded in their most recent research.

Science most definitely does not state that, but rather than nothing we have was here until after the solar system formation was set in place, with the planets gradually forming after that, with water only appearing long after the Earth did.

In Verse 21: 30, Allah praise to Him stated that He caused the split of the matter to form the heavens and the Earth and that He created every living thing (in them) out of water, which was already there.

But it also says humans were made out of clay. We do have lots of water, but neither water nor clay created us. That is not a view endorsed by science.

Orbits of the Sun and Moon (21:33) Never discovered it at the time

Actually, the Babylonians were at least some of the earliest to discover this.

Qur'an talks about Sun has a place determined and time determined. Scientifically approved. The Sun is moving to the Solar Apex. Scientists predict that soon the sun will expire. And life will cease to exist.

Science doesn't say it has a determined time, but rather is something that is prone to slight adjustments caused by events such as major earthquakes.

Qur'an says atmosphere is like a protective ceiling which it is from UV rays.

And it's really not that good and we humans have come up with alternatives that work much better than just the ozone layer, which is what does absorb the rays.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I advice you to go read the Qur'an before you judge it, it never says it comes out from his backbone and ribs.

I have read it. Just because someone has criticisms of something doesn't mean they haven't read it.

It says it proceeds from between the backbone and ribs. You are showing ignorance.

Yet semen doesn't come from the backbones and ribs, and it is proceeded by them either. They form in the testicles, move through some tubes, pick up some juices from the prostate gland along way, and shoot out of the penis. No backbones or ribs required or involved. Semen doesn't really even get close to the backbone, let alone any ribs.

God already knows the future of what our outcome will be.

Then we can't possibly make a choice because god already knows what we will do. I program a character to do something and claim it has free will if I know ahead of time what it is going to do.

 

[Jabar]

That is something that requires more proof than just the words of the Quran. We don't even factually know if there is intelligent life on other planets.

Obviously not all are devoultly obedient to him.

Science most definitely does not state that, but rather than nothing we have was here until after the solar system formation was set in place, with the planets gradually forming after that, with water only appearing long after the Earth did.

But it also says humans were made out of clay. We do have lots of water, but neither water nor clay created us. That is not a view endorsed by science.

Actually, the Babylonians were at least some of the earliest to discover this.

Science doesn't say it has a determined time, but rather is something that is prone to slight adjustments caused by events such as major earthquakes.

And it's really not that good and we humans have come up with alternatives that work much better than just the ozone layer, which is what does absorb the rays.

See, you deny my evidence.

You are acting like a fool. It says he made them out of an ESSENCE of clay. Which is a carbon element.
Allah is describing the things he has made us up of.


Science does say it has a determined time what are you blabbering about. It will eventually not run anymore. I am sorry but your knowledge on science is very weak.

Yes, but the atmosphere is a protective ceiling. Without it our world would cease to exist.

You fail, and you still have not refuted my other points.

 

[Jabar]

I have read it. Just because someone has criticisms of something doesn't mean they haven't read it.

Yet semen doesn't come from the backbones and ribs, and it is proceeded by them either. They form in the testicles, move through some tubes, pick up some juices from the prostate gland along way, and shoot out of the penis. No backbones or ribs required or involved. Semen doesn't really even get close to the backbone, let alone any ribs.

Then we can't possibly make a choice because god already knows what we will do. I program a character to do something and claim it has free will if I know ahead of time what it is going to do.

Sulb is the backbone (vertebral column) and taraib the ribs. There are 12 pairs of ribs. Of them, 7 pairs are called true ribs as each of them is attached between the vertebra (backbone) and the sternum (breast bone), and the remaining 5 are called false ribs as they are also attached to the vertebral column but not to sternum. Ejaculation is a highly complex process which requires smooth coordination of multiple sections of the nervous system. Mechanism of emission and propulsions is caused by 2 spinal cord centers. The spinal cord is 43-45 cm long and is continuation of brain tissue and occupies its place in the center of upper spinal bony vertebral column. It is the proper functioning, integrity and continuity of these 2 spinal cord centers located between vertebrae (sulb) and ribs (taraib) connecting spinal cord and sex organs along with the valves around urethra by the nerves which are responsible for ejaculation. (Ref. Spinal Cord Medicine, Demos Medical Publishing Inc. New York USA, Chapter 2, Page 16).

Brother. . .

You can make a choice, but since God is All-Knowing he knows the choices you will make and how you end up. He will not interfere with them, you have been given the message and you choose to accept it or not. Of course Allah knows what you yourself will do, and end up like through your own free will.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sulb is the backbone (vertebral column) and taraib the ribs. There are 12 pairs of ribs. Of them, 7 pairs are called true ribs as each of them is attached between the vertebra (backbone) and the sternum (breast bone), and the remaining 5 are called false ribs as they are also attached to the vertebral column but not to sternum. Ejaculation is a highly complex process which requires smooth coordination of multiple sections of the nervous system. Mechanism of emission and propulsions is caused by 2 spinal cord centers. The spinal cord is 43-45 cm long and is continuation of brain tissue and occupies its place in the center of upper spinal bony vertebral column. It is the proper functioning, integrity and continuity of these 2 spinal cord centers located between vertebrae (sulb) and ribs (taraib) connecting spinal cord and sex organs along with the valves around urethra by the nerves which are responsible for ejaculation. (Ref. Spinal Cord Medicine, Demos Medical Publishing Inc. New York USA, Chapter 2, Page 16).

That is still not where semen comes from.

You are acting like a fool. It says he made them out of an ESSENCE of clay. Which is a carbon element.

It doesn't say "essence." Even with what you quoted, it doesn't say "essence."

Science does say it has a determined time what are you blabbering about.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-rotation-summer-solstice/
The summer solstice that falls this year on June 21 marks the longest day of the year in the Northern Hemisphere, sunlight-wise. Almost imperceptibly, however, Earth's day–night cycle—one rotation on its axis—is growing longer year by year, and has been for most of the planet's history.

You can make a choice, but since God is All-Knowing he knows the choices you will make and how you end up.

But if he knows what I am going to choose then I don't have a choice because god already knows I will choose B over A, and thus I cannot choose A at all because god already knows I will choose B, thus I had no possibly way to make the choice between A and B. The only way I can have this choice is if god doesn't know what I will choose. Freewill and predestination are not compatible because one is based on choices that are not known while the other is based on known/predetermined outcomes.

 

[Jabar]

That is still not where semen comes from.

It doesn't say "essence." Even with what you quoted, it doesn't say "essence."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-rotation-summer-solstice/
The summer solstice that falls this year on June 21 marks the longest day of the year in the Northern Hemisphere, sunlight-wise. Almost imperceptibly, however, Earth's day–night cycle—one rotation on its axis—is growing longer year by year, and has been for most of the planet's history.

But if he knows what I am going to choose then I don't have a choice because god already knows I will choose B over A, and thus I cannot choose A at all because god already knows I will choose B, thus I had no possibly way to make the choice between A and B. The only way I can have this choice is if god doesn't know what I will choose. Freewill and predestination are not compatible because one is based on choices that are not known while the other is based on known/predetermined outcomes.

Brother you do not listen about the backbone and ribs, go find it yourself because you starting to get me irritated.

Anyhow, you said it does not say essence huh, haha your knowledge in both science and scriptures is weak. Go look at it here: http://quran.com/23. Go through the arabic letters.

Brother, i said it has a time determined. http://www.universetoday.com/18847/life-of-the-sun/

You do have a choice, is there something wrong with your comprhension??????????

God knows if you will choose A or B. You cause yourself to be A or B not God. You do have a choice between A and B. Allah knows what choice you will make A or B as you have the free will. No. Yes, it is the outcome. But you make the outcome. God gave you a free will and he knows the choices you made. That does not mean you do not have a choice of A and B, you yourself make the decisions and God knows the outcome of your own decisions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Brother you do not listen about the backbone and ribs, go find it yourself because you starting to get me irritated.

Anyhow, you said it does not say essence huh, haha your knowledge in both science and scriptures is weak. Go look at it here: http://quran.com/23. Go through the arabic letters.

Brother, i said it has a time determined. http://www.universetoday.com/18847/life-of-the-sun/

I am not a "brother," and if facts irritate you, that is not my problem. Semen has nothing, at all, by any stretch, to do with the backbone and ribs. And your link still does not say "essence." It says made from clay. It does say "extract," but that still says we are made from clay. Should we next move onto this non-existent fantasy barrier the Quran mentions that prevents fresh and salt water from mixing?

i said it has a time determined. http://www.universetoday.com/18847/life-of-the-sun/

That is an approximate time, not an exact time. The time science gives us for many natural "mega" disasters is they could happen any second now. It's not unusual for a terminal patient to outlive their given time left to live. And the Quran in no way says when our sun will die. It's a given that all things end, everything dies. But we don't need to deify Dr. Who to know or accept that.

 

[Jabar]

I am not a "brother," and if facts irritate you, that is not my problem. Semen has nothing, at all, by any stretch, to do with the backbone and ribs. And your link still does not say "essence." It says made from clay. It does say "extract," but that still says we are made from clay. Should we next move onto this non-existent fantasy barrier the Quran mentions that prevents fresh and salt water from mixing?

That is an approximate time, not an exact time. The time science gives us for many natural "mega" disasters is they could happen any second now. It's not unusual for a terminal patient to outlive their given time left to live. And the Quran in no way says when our sun will die. It's a given that all things end, everything dies. But we don't need to deify Dr. Who to know or accept that.

That is a way of generosity, brother.

Anyhow, extract does not mean we are made from clay. You looked at the translation. But when you look at the real Arabic letters. It says essence, but you did not even look at it even after i told you.

Yes, but still it fits with science. It says the Sun is at a determined time, and science right now approves.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Anyhow, extract does not mean we are made from clay. You looked at the translation. But when you look at the real Arabic letters. It says essence, but you did not even look at it even after i told you.

I don't read Arabic, so even looking at it I don't know what it says. But I have that translation and others. They say god made humans from clay. It's more-or-less even what the Tanakh says. And you giving a translation and saying it actually means something that it is not saying, and then trying to play off the original word isn't going to work. An extract is something that is removed from a source and sometimes concentrated, and though it can mean essence, it still doesn't work because we just have nothing about similar enough to clay to say we are made in the essence of clay. Clay is moldable while moist, it crumbles when dry, and it is forever altered when fired in temperatures hot enough. Clay itself comes from soil, making what the Quran says congruent with the Tanakh, but incompatible with science.

Yes, but still it fits with science. It says the Sun is at a determined time, and science right now approves.

Science only estimates, and the Quran does not give any date or time. Even before Muhammad people have stated that even the universe ends, but it doesn't take much to realize that. I can say there will be a dark and stormy day where I live, and I am technically correct, but it's hardly a prophecy or divine image because of course there will be a dark stormy day at some point in the future.

 

[Shad]

Think what you want.

It's a contradict as each is mutually exclusive. To be merciful is to act and/or judge to a lesser degree than what is merited. For example if a prison term for murder is 25 years to sentence some to less than 25 years is showing mercy. To be just this person is sentenced for exactly what is considered a just sentence which would be 25 years. One can not be both merciful and just at the same time. So anyone that is always merciful is more merciful than Allah as they never judge people accordingly but are merciful. Anyone that is always just thus never grants any mercy is more just than Allah. One can be the "most" at once.

 

[Jabar]

I don't read Arabic, so even looking at it I don't know what it says. But I have that translation and others. They say god made humans from clay. It's more-or-less even what the Tanakh says. And you giving a translation and saying it actually means something that it is not saying, and then trying to play off the original word isn't going to work. An extract is something that is removed from a source and sometimes concentrated, and though it can mean essence, it still doesn't work because we just have nothing about similar enough to clay to say we are made in the essence of clay. Clay is moldable while moist, it crumbles when dry, and it is forever altered when fired in temperatures hot enough. Clay itself comes from soil, making what the Quran says congruent with the Tanakh, but incompatible with science.

Science only estimates, and the Quran does not give any date or time. Even before Muhammad people have stated that even the universe ends, but it doesn't take much to realize that. I can say there will be a dark and stormy day where I live, and I am technically correct, but it's hardly a prophecy or divine image because of course there will be a dark stormy day at some point in the future.

Isn't almost everything science says is an estimate???

You are just denying the evidence.


You did not refute the other claims.

 

[Jabar]

It's a contradict as each is mutually exclusive. To be merciful is to act and/or judge to a lesser degree than what is merited. For example if a prison term for murder is 25 years to sentence some to less than 25 years is showing mercy. To be just this person is sentenced for exactly what is considered a just sentence which would be 25 years. One can not be both merciful and just at the same time. So anyone that is always merciful is more merciful than Allah as they never judge people accordingly but are merciful. Anyone that is always just thus never grants any mercy is more just than Allah. One can be the "most" at once.

You can be Merciful, just has nothing to do with being Merciful.

Just is being fair, that is a way of being Merciful too. He judges rightly and also is Merciful for those he chooses that are loyal, he is God.

 

[Shad]

You can be Merciful, just has nothing to do with being Merciful.

Merciful has nothing to do with being just? Mercy is directly related with just. Do you even know what these two words mean? Get a dictionary son...

Just is being fair, that is a way of being Merciful too. He judges rightly and also is Merciful for those he chooses that are loyal, he is God.

Just is about people being treated and/or punished accordingly. Fairness is not mercy. Mercy is being less than fair as people are not given a fair form of justice. It is still a contradiction and your ignorance of what words mean has done nothing to resolve the contradiction. Do you not see how mercy is not fair by your own argument? Being merciful to those that are loyal is not to be just to them while those that are not loyal are not treated with fairness. To treat loyal followers different is favoritism thus not just.

You only demonstrate that you can contradict yourself while attempting resolve the contradiction... Well done.

 

[Jabar]

Merciful has nothing to do with being just? Mercy is directly related with just. Do you even know what these two words mean? Get a dictionary son...



Just is about people being treated and/or punished accordingly. Fairness is not mercy. Mercy is being less than fair as people are not given a fair form of justice. It is still a contradiction and your ignorance of what words mean has done nothing to resolve the contradiction. Do you not see how mercy is not fair by your own argument? Being merciful to those that are loyal is not to be just to them while those that are not loyal are not treated with fairness. To treat loyal followers different is favoritism thus not just.

You only demonstrate that you can contradict yourself while attempting resolve the contradiction... Well done.

Exactly. Allah is Just and Merciful. It is fair. Those who are not loyal are treated fairly through there actions. What if the bad people were brought to heaven and good to Hell. Now that is not Merciful and just at all. It is not favoritism but it is those who are good.

If you are to say why does God punish them, is the equivalent in asking why is there suffering in the world. The people do those things and Allah is just so he judges accordingly.

 

[Shad]

Exactly. Allah is Just and Merciful. It is fair. Those who are not loyal are treated fairly through there actions. What if the bad people were brought to heaven and good to Hell. Now that is not Merciful and just at all. It is not favoritism but it is those who are good.

One can not be both at once as the words hold contradictory view points. Favoritism is not just nor even truly mercy as it is dependent on the group it is applied to. To treat people of one group specifically different is not to be just. Thus is discrimination for those that are not loyal followers. Also you said followers thus the group are Muslims not just anyone. That again is favoritism. If bad people get into heaven this is to show mercy, one's act merit Hell but is sent to Heaven instead. They are not punished accordingly. The punishment does not fit the "crimes". If good people go to hell that is neither just nor mercy, it is unjust and a lack of mercy completely.

Get a dictionary.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/just
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/mercy
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/favouritism?q=favoritism
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/unjust

 

[Jabar]

One can not be both at once as the words hold contradictory view points. Favoritism is not just nor even truly mercy as it is dependent on the group it is applied to. To treat people of one group specifically different is not to be just. Thus is discrimination for those that are not loyal followers. Also you said followers thus the group are Muslims not just anyone. That again is favoritism. If bad people get into heaven this is to show mercy, one's act merit Hell but is sent to Heaven instead. They are not punished accordingly. The punishment does not fit the "crimes". If good people go to hell that is neither just nor mercy, it is unjust and a lack of mercy completely.

Get a dictionary.

It is not favoritism, i would advise you yourself to get a dictionary.

Allah is Merciful. Not only is he Merciful but he is also never unjust in the least degree. Besides being Merciful he is very Just.

In order to be Merciful and Just, especially in a society today, that must equate to a punishment.

For example, someone rapes your sister, if you have one. He says ''Oh God is so Merciful, he has forgiven the rape''

See Allah is Merciful, at the same time Just. So, if that guy raped your sister, he must be punished. Whether this world or after.

Which is why Allah has given us a gift of REPENTANCE. People do not repent even after given a long time, they deny and just refuse to.