Which Religious Scripture Is Truly The Word Of God?

[Riverwolf]

Show me where.

Right here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/incest-in-your-beliefs.187088/page-4#post-4743450

 

[Jabar]

Right here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/incest-in-your-beliefs.187088/page-4#post-4743450

Not all of them were wrong.

When was this like a week ago?

 

[Riverwolf]

Not all of them were wrong.

I only needed that sample size of three to demonstrate my point, and that point remains. If those ones were wrong, I'm just going to assume most, if not all of them, were wrong unless you can demonstrate otherwise.

You claimed to understand these religions as intimately as you understand Islam, but with such basic errors as those, it doesn't look like that's the case at all.

Or if you still think you do, tell me what the Buddha said about matters of the divine.

When was this like a week ago?

Doens't matter.

 

[Jabar]

I only needed that sample size of three to demonstrate my point, and that point remains. If those ones were wrong, I'm just going to assume most, if not all of them, were wrong unless you can demonstrate otherwise.

You claimed to understand these religions as intimately as you understand Islam, but with such basic errors as those, it doesn't look like that's the case at all.

Or if you still think you do, tell me what the Buddha said about matters of the divine.



Doens't matter.

Not a good conclusion to make.

Your grammar is rather substandard. So, i would assume that you do not speak english, haha.

 

[Riverwolf]

Not a good conclusion to make.

Your grammar is rather substandard. So, i would assume that you do not speak english, haha.

If my grammar were substandard, that would mean I don't understand its generally accepted rules very well. (I do, by the way; when I break those rules, it's almost always deliberate because I don't agree with them.)

I never said you didn't understand these religions at all. I'm sure you do. The point of comparison is your understanding of Islam. I assume you understand Islam very intimately since it's your religion. I'm asking if you have an equally intimate understanding of those other religions. Since you're making errors similar to the ones I was making earlier about what the Qur'an says, what I've seen so far indicates that your understanding of those other religions is similar to my understanding of Islam.

In other words, a better language analogy here would be me claiming to speak Japanese as well as I can speak English since I've studied and have been exposed to it for so long. However, I can't.

 

[Jabar]

If my grammar were substandard, that would mean I don't understand its generally accepted rules very well. (I do, by the way; when I break those rules, it's almost always deliberate because I don't agree with them.)

I never said you didn't understand these religions at all. I'm sure you do. The point of comparison is your understanding of Islam. I assume you understand Islam very intimately since it's your religion. I'm asking if you have an equally intimate understanding of those other religions. Since you're making errors similar to the ones I was making earlier about what the Qur'an says, what I've seen so far indicates that your understanding of those other religions is similar to my understanding of Islam.

In other words, a better language analogy here would be me claiming to speak Japanese as well as I can speak English since I've studied and have been exposed to it for so long. However, I can't.

Exactly, that was a joke by me to show what you have been telling me.

Basically, because of something i lacked in your interpretation, that led you to the conclusion of my ignorance in different religious fields or rather not as educated in comparison of my own faith which is Islam.


I get that you meant it to an extent, however my point is your way of jumping to conclusions too quickly which is not too appropriate for a debate.

 

[Riverwolf]

Exactly, that was a joke by me to show what you have been telling me.

Basically, because of something i lacked in your interpretation, that led you to the conclusion of my ignorance in different religious fields or rather not as educated in comparison of my own faith which is Islam.

Unfortunately, the joke didn't work because it was a false equivalence.

I get that you meant it to an extent, however my point is your way of jumping to conclusions too quickly which is not too appropriate for a debate.

I'm not jumping to conclusions based on nothing. I have enough data. The only assumption I'm making is that you have an intimate understanding of Islam, such that you can accurately quote its primary scriptures.

I asked a question, you answered. I then determined that the answer given was incorrect based on earlier incorrect data. Now, instead of offering new data to counter that determination, you're just saying that I'm "jumping to conclusions too quickly." But if I am, then you saying that should indicate that you have data that counters my determination.

So, do you have any counter-data? Or can you answer my question as to what the Buddha said about the divine?

 

[Jabar]

Unfortunately, the joke didn't work because it was a false equivalence.



I'm not jumping to conclusions based on nothing. I have enough data. The only assumption I'm making is that you have an intimate understanding of Islam, such that you can accurately quote its primary scriptures.

I asked a question, you answered. I then determined that the answer given was incorrect based on earlier incorrect data. Now, instead of offering new data to counter that determination, you're just saying that I'm "jumping to conclusions too quickly." But if I am, then you saying that should indicate that you have data that counters my determination.

So, do you have any counter-data? Or can you answer my question as to what the Buddha said about the divine?

I said you jumped to conclusions too quickly that was my point, you had the data or not, you still jump to conclusions to quickly.

Anyhow, what about Buddha? Wasn't he a human?

 

[Riverwolf]

I said you jumped to conclusions too quickly that was my point, you had the data or not, you still jump to conclusions to quickly.

With enough data, conclusions can be made. Or do you think a conclusion should never be made?

Something just occurred to me, so just in case this is what you're trying to say, I don't believe for one second that you're lying.

Anyhow, what about Buddha? Wasn't he a human?

Well, yes, but that's not what I'm asking.

I'll ask a third time: what did he say about the divine? If you understood Buddhism as much as you do Islam, this should be an easy question to answer.

 

[Sand Dancer]

The fundamentalist bent of the Abrahamic religions think their books are.

 

[Neo Deist]

When put into comparison, all religious scriptures, which prevails over the other?
They must contain the following

1) Complex literature
2) Prophecies and Scientific evidences
3) Logic
4) No Errors






Peace.

None of them.

 

[Jabar]

None of them.

Besides Qur'an.

 

[Neo Deist]

Besides Qur'an.

I repeat, none of them. Nothing written by the hands of humans.

 

[Jabar]

I repeat, none of them. Nothing written by the hands of humans.

How not the Qur'an.


I repeat prove to me the Qur'an is not the word of God.

 

[Neo Deist]

How not the Qur'an.


I repeat prove to me the Qur'an is not the word of God.

Prove that it is. The burden of proof lies with those that make boastful, supernatural claims.

 

[SkepticThinker]

None of them.

It's obvious to me that they are all human creations.

 

[Jabar]

Prove that it is. The burden of proof lies with those that make boastful, supernatural claims.

Sure thing, one minute.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Exactly he gave us a free well as a blessing and best creation.

That didn't answer any of my questions, and of the one you touched on, that doesn't account for the contradiction of free-will in regards to a god that knows everything, even the future, and the doctrines of predestination. If we are destined to do something, and god knows if we will do it or not, then we have no free-will because god knows exactly what we are going to do before we do it.

 

[Jabar]

That didn't answer any of my questions, and of the one you touched on, that doesn't account for the contradiction of free-will in regards to a god that knows everything, even the future, and the doctrines of predestination. If we are destined to do something, and god knows if we will do it or not, then we have no free-will because god knows exactly what we are going to do before we do it.

Yes, he knows.

That does not eliminate the fact that we have a free-will. You have a free-will and you cause your demise in Hell.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Your grammar is rather substandard. So, i would assume that you do not speak english, haha.

That's not a joke, and it is calling someone out of a specific point, and even when the case is true, it's still rude at people who don't speak the language as their native tongue. For the most part, native speakers can tell the difference between a native speaker and a non-native, and the non-natives are pretty much always known for really screwing things up on occasion. We do actually have many people here who don't speak English as a primary or native language, and some of them don't yet use it that well, but they are understandable and people don't laugh at them.
And, btw, the correct way to type out that response is "You're grammar is rather substandard. So, I am assuming that you do not speak English." You used the wrong form of "you're," you always capitalize I when you are the subject, and English is always capitalized. Truth be told, these are basic elementary English rules.

I repeat prove to me the Qur'an is not the word of God.

Because the Quran says semen comes from a man's backbones and ribs, but every teenaged boy knows it comes from his balls.