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Whites need not apply

Is this racist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 85.0%
  • No

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • Total voters
    20

Shad

Veteran Member
But what do you mean by saying the USA is not a democracy ? It is a constitutional democracy.

No its a representative constitutional republic. It was made as such to avoid democracy. It is also a union of sovereign states which are now seen only as administration divides by many. Like a province of district.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
No its a representative constitutional republic. It was made as such to avoid democracy. It is also a union of sovereign states which are now seen only as administration divides by many. Like a province of district.

What do you understand by 'constitutional democracy' ? How is it different from a 'representative constitutional republic' ?
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
White South Africans barred from registering on government jobs website

“A registration process on a government partnered youth employment initiative has appeared to exclude white South Africans, sparking criticism from the country’s trade union.”

“The registration criteria on the site require the applicants to be black, in accordance with the BEE definition (Black Economic Empowerment), between the ages of 18 – 34, and South African citizens.”

Unjustifiable.

If true, of course it's racist, but the question is whether or not your source is legitimate or not. I'm too lazy (and busy) to research it for myself, but I would not believe something like this the first time I read it on the Internet. That said, if it's true, there's no question it is appalling.
 

DustyFeet

पैर है| outlaw kosher care-bear | Tribe of Dan
my friends,

please excuse Shaul in this thread. i do not think he is a racist. and i do not think he's dangerous.

it's true, he made some claims that he cannot support; but, it's also tru i took them out of context.

at this point he is only guilty for not correcting the record; but, i was taunting him

to be honest,

i think we both, Shaul and I, became overwhelmed by the spirit of the moment.

something that can happen to anyone; it definitely happens to me

my intentions are good; Shaul, i want to help.

asserting in the negative is very hard to do.
all i have to do is come up with one contrasting example and your statement becomes false.

speaking specifically about this thread; if you replace "whites" with "some whites" it becomes egalitarian. and i cannot dispute it. it changes the timber of the statement, tho.
you could even say "almost all whites" or if you're speaking politics "almost all on the left" is much better than "the left"
the over generalizing makes it easy to copy and paste and take it our of context. i admit it's a low blow that only works in the short term. but why over generalize, when a few extra words will make your position stronger.

what am i saying?

from a semantics perspective, i could turn around almost anyone's words into something I agree with. if i read it with the most open of open minds.

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for me, racism exists as a spectrum like so many "things".

one side of the spectrum is a dangerous racist. this to me this is at the very pointiest of the bell curve.

on the other side is someone who i would describe as clueless.

i think this is why calling someone racist is an insult. because it speaks to cognition / intelligence. not that a racist isn't intelligent. but the insult, "you are a racist" is insulting because it's kind of like calling someone "stupid".

what is racism?

current working theory: it's a cognitive problem, aka a lack of awareness.

using this definition, scale of 1 to 10, clueless is 1, dangerous is 10

2 could be "callous"?
3 could be "insensitive"?
5 could be "willfully ignorant"?
7 could be "judgy"?
9.5 could be "potentially encouraging dangerous racists but not dangerous on their own"?

in my opinion, Shaul is approaching 3 in this thread. and it appears to be his first venture outside of american politics

Shaul, i mean u no harm. my morpheus was intended to speak louder than words: come duel with me, you are a raging right winger with his fist in the air. i am the left wing lunatic all fired up about chesed. shall we dance? it is the internet, and no one's going to get hurt, a battle of wits, maybe some pop culture references?

with much love and great respect,

-DF-

11/11/18 - edited for spelling... sorry
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
What do you understand by 'constitutional democracy' ? How is it different from a 'representative constitutional republic' ?

A democracy is simple majority rule with only checks being provided by the majority if they bother and care. A republic has those checks, thus law, in place to control the majority and to override their choices if seen as destructive.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
A democracy is simple majority rule with only checks being provided by the majority if they bother and care. A republic has those checks, thus law, in place to control the majority and to override their choices if seen as destructive.

I didn't ask you what is a democracy. What I have asked you is what you understand by 'constitutional democracy'. Can you answer that question ?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
I didn't ask you what is a democracy. What I have asked you is what you understand by 'constitutional democracy'. Can you answer that question ?

It is the same. A constitution is just contain principles of the nation-state.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
I suggest you read the answers contained in this link before saying that again: https://www.quora.com/What-is-constitutional-democracy

Did you read your own source? It agrees with my view. Try again.

Government of the people? Check
Principles contained within a constitution? Check

All the respective stuff is a conflation between democracy and a representative democracy, ergo a variation of. Something you would have spotted if you read your own source.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Did you read your own source? It agrees with my view. Try again.

Government of the people? Check
Principles contained within a constitution? Check

All the respective stuff is a conflation between democracy and a representative democracy, ergo a variation of. Something you would have spotted if you read your own source.

If my source agrees with your view, why do two of the six answers specifically mention the USA being a constitutional democracy ?

Do you mean you now agree the USA is a constitutional democracy?
 
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