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[sayak83]

White South Africans barred from registering on government jobs website

“A registration process on a government partnered youth employment initiative has appeared to exclude white South Africans, sparking criticism from the country’s trade union.”

“The registration criteria on the site require the applicants to be black, in accordance with the BEE definition (Black Economic Empowerment), between the ages of 18 – 34, and South African citizens.”

Unjustifiable.

Yeah its absolutely fine. India does the same thing by reserving a certain fraction of all jobs and college seats for people of lower caste and ethnic tribes. Very popular and effective program. Good that south Africa is doing the same.

 

[Shad]

Segregated redistricting

This should have been undone years ago if it was a government policy.

lack of representation

Run for officer then.

higher rates of being a victim of crime,

This goes beyond apartheid

and a staggering wage gap where average white households make six times more than average black households, race based housing discrimination.

So? Guess what not everyone makes the same wages.

Offering affirmative for low-income is a good step, and will largely be taken up by that demographic. But call a spade a spade.

Low-income assistance for all I have no problem with. I will never support race based assistance.

There is no evidence this is true.

EU and Canada are prime examples

Removing obstacles from the table but not addressing the damage those obstacles causes is half ***ing a solution. 'It's okay if blacks suffer more than whites now because we've stopped apartheid' is not a solution.

Strawman

Which is nowhere near the same as being excluded from 'whole sectors of the job market'.

Sure if the article is false. I am still opposed to race based assistance.

You're not actually addressing the real situation in SA, just the white nationalist version of it.

No you just do not like how I address issues. If the solution is applicable to anyone with no race requirement it is out of order in your mind.

Your suggestion amounts to the same thing as ignoring it.

Hardly. My suggestions are viable

Which is not acknowledging a racial disparity and perpetuating racism.

Nonsense. It addresses income disparity in general instead of a facade of redistribution as per your ideas.

Creating incentives for disadvantage due to race is no more 'racism' than creating programs for financially disadvantaged is 'classism'.

Those are not incentives. Financial support helps anyone in those income brackets regardless of race which different from programs only people can access by being the right race first.

Anyway. I'm out. Had enough looking at white supremacist websites peddling hyperbole as fact for one week.

K

 

[Shad]

Yeah its absolutely fine. India does the same thing by reserving a certain fraction of all jobs and college seats for people of lower caste and ethnic tribes. Very popular and effective program. Good that south Africa is doing the same.

Get rid of the caste system. All you have shown is a backwards concept which should have died decades ago needs to remain on life support via government policy.

Caste system hahaha so progressive....

 

[Shad]

The only real solution is to tax the rich and feed the poor until there are no rich no more - regardless of race, gender, or any other non-economic factor.

Make everyone poor.... Hilarious.

 

[Audie]

Now you are just lying thorough your teeth as you know nothing about my upbringing and what I've been through and what my motivations are. So, instead, I'd rather discuss this with those who don't fabricate lies and who don't judge people whom they don't even know. I've been a victim of anti-Semitism and once a victim of black racism, so I know what that "territory" is like.

As with your admittance of being racist yourself, you clearly are prone to judge people on "externals" because that's what racists do, and that I do believe is morally repugnant. Maybe try and outgrow that, OK?

Goodbye.

Well, you surely are passionate here, but
it is thoroughly misplaced, directed at me.

It all has far more the tone of a passionate ideolog
than of someone making fair or evidence based
statements.

You are actually doing a lot of what you falsely
accuse me of, re fabrication, judgement etc.

Including that you assume that all judgement
based on externals is negative, let alone
"morally repulsive". Or that immediate impressions
are always set in stone, not subject to later
revision.

What really awful things for you to assume, about me!

You say you've been a victim; while I avoid the
use of that word, being an asian, I am well
acquainted with those who judge me at a glance.
How you deal with it is what is important.
We may not be so far apart as you think in these things.


I've a fear or men,having been assaulted.
But I wont let on,or act differently toward them.
You've had black person(s) mistreat you.
Hard to "forget" any more than you could
forget how some kind of food made you sick.
Does not mean you or i should, or do assume
the worst of others.

If it is your stance that you never ever try to
size someone up based on their appearance.
find it morally repugnant to ever do so, I'd
have to say you are not being very realistic

EVERYONE does it. You cannot get through
a day without doing so, and it is an essential part
of existing among others.

I hold that everyone is racist, in some ways and
in some degree. That inevitably includes you.

Try this-
Shipwreck, You are alone in a life boat.
But there is a survivor in the water.

Would you be just as happy to see a white
redneck, feel it is just as likely that you'd be
treated to anti semitism from him as if
the survivor happened to be a Jewish girl?

Oh and calm down a bit. I am not a ogre.

 

[Audie]

It's called justice. Ever hear of it?

Ever hear of snark? It is dreadfully clever.

 

[Audie]

Make everyone poor.... Hilarious.

It is called justice.

Which, is sort of almost funny but it
isnt, really. Not at all.

One thing the 20th century, and some few
others besides should have taught everyone
is that social engineering by idealists is
just disasterous.

Shall we name a few idealists who were able
to impose their will on the economic life of the
nations?

 

[Stevicus]

Make everyone poor.... Hilarious.

Well, we've already had this discussion before, so we can just agree to disagree. Peace.

 

[Shad]

Well, we've already had this discussion before, so we can just agree to disagree. Peace.

I do not think we have but sure.

Nonsense than nonsense now.

 

[Stevicus]

It is called justice.

Which, is sort of almost funny but it
isnt, really. Not at all.

One thing the 20th century, and some few
others besides should have taught everyone
is that social engineering by idealists is
just disasterous.

Shall we name a few idealists who were able
to impose their will on the economic life of the
nations?

I would say it's more a matter of cause and effect. What goes around comes around. If you don't want it to happen to you, then don't do it to others. It should be simple for even you to figure out, yet so many just don't get it. More is the pity.

 

[Audie]

I would say it's more a matter of cause and effect. What goes around comes around. If you don't want it to happen to you, then don't do it to others. It should be simple for even you to figure out, yet so many just don't get it. More is the pity.

Ok so lets see-say the same truism in three
different ways, then insult my intelligence with
something about how I dont understand it.

None of it has anything to do with your plan for
stealing from me to give to the poor.

FWIW, I am highly confident that I havedone
vastly more to help the poor than you have.

 

[Stevicus]

Ok so lets see-say the same truism in three
different ways, then insult my intelligence with
something about how I dont understand it.

None of it has anything to do with your plan for
stealing from me to give to the poor.

FWIW, I am highly confident that I havedone
vastly more to help the poor than you have.

If you've stolen more than you've given back, then you're still in a negative balance.

 

[Audie]

If you've stolen more than you've given back, then you're still in a negative balance.

You've nothing to give except insults and ideology.

 

[DustyFeet]

Shaul,

 

[columbus]

Lack of representation ? Don't they live in a democracy ?

No.
As Trump supporters commonly point out, the USA is not a democracy.

Seriously, have you not read posts on this subject from @Revoltingest and @BSM1 and such?
Tom

 

[DustyFeet]

Shaul, i am concerned you are reinforcing a negative stereotype.

Jews in the Civil Rights Movement | My Jewish Learning

 

[tas8831]

Discriminating against anyone based on their race, either at the institutional level or on an interpersonal level, is racism. But it seems like some on the left don't understand that; I can't tell you how many people I've seen claim that it's impossible to be racist or discriminatory against whites.

Yes, I find the whole notion of racism having a root in power and all this to be ridiculous. Many on the right, however, can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that white nationalists, neo-Nazis, etc., are, in fact, racists.
It goes both ways.

 

[tas8831]

The current White South African young people bear no responsibility for happenings from before they were born. You can’t “fix” racial discrimination with more racial discrimination.

Right - just like whites living in the former confederate states have totally moved on from their racist heritage and are totally cool with minorities.

 

[BSM1]

No.
As Trump supporters commonly point out, the USA is not a democracy.

Seriously, have you not read posts on this subject from @Revoltingest and @BSM1 and such?
Tom

And you think the US is (or should be) a democracy? What would be your definition of a 'democracy'?

 

[DustyFeet]

Shaul, i am concerned you are reinforcing a negative stereotype.

Sammy Davis Jr. - Wikipedia

we were also the best ballroom dancers in that area of the world

have a great weekend everyone!