Whites need not apply

[DustyFeet]

in addition, Shaul, i am concerned you are reinforcing a negative stereotype. That stereotpe is "The Jews" don't like "The Blacks"

note: it's a stereotype.. please forgive the the 1950s language

 

[metis]

It is a shame you want to shield racist policies from exposure.

Now you are just "bearing false witness" as I did not nor will not justify racism regardless as to whom it's against, and I've made that point clear on a great many of my posts over the years here at RF. What a shame that you resort to such a disingenuous tactic.

 

[columbus]

Past or current discrimination against Blacks does not and can not justify discrimination against White. Only a racist would think that it can or would.

How about we distinguish them as "indigenous" and "invaders" ? Race is just a handy feature for distinguishing.
Tom

 

[pearl]

And once again, no one is saying apartheid didn’t cause damage. And once again you can’t correct a racist problem with yet more racism.

But what can be done is to level the playing field. That was the purpose of Affirmative Action, which some refer to as reverse racial discrimination. When a system is designed against equal opportunities for a certain people it is has to be repaired.

 

[Stevicus]

White South Africans barred from registering on government jobs website

“A registration process on a government partnered youth employment initiative has appeared to exclude white South Africans, sparking criticism from the country’s trade union.”

“The registration criteria on the site require the applicants to be black, in accordance with the BEE definition (Black Economic Empowerment), between the ages of 18 – 34, and South African citizens.”

Unjustifiable.

I suppose one could say that it's technically racist, but it sounds similar to affirmative action or race-based scholarships, college admissions, or whatever.

Of course, you can blame the rabidly obsessive anti-communist types for this sort of thing, since people wanted justice yet were still afraid of being branded as "commies." As a result, they came up with programs like this. It may very well be a sham and unjustifiable, but then again, so is the class hierarchy and the economic disparities which exist today.

The only real solution is to tax the rich and feed the poor until there are no rich no more - regardless of race, gender, or any other non-economic factor.

 

[metis]

I would just have to add that if one truly was opposed to racism, why in the world would they support Trump?

 

[Audie]

My suggestion is quite simple: If the problem is economical disparity then all one has to do is create affirmative actions specifically for low-income groups. No reference to race is required.

Ok... what constitutes a group? Certain
fundamentalist churches typically are made
up of low income people.

Hiring preferences for JW, who self-inflict
their low educational achievement?

Another group could be "the drug addicts".

 

[Audie]

The only real solution is to tax the rich and feed the poor until there are no rich no more - regardless of race, gender, or any other non-economic factor.

Is the way you write indicative of your education level?
This is a super ignorant thing you are proposing.

 

[Audie]

I would just have to add that if one truly was opposed to racism, why in the world would they support Trump?

Not that I would have voted for Trump, but, who
do you think is this pure non racist who would
promote equality for all?

IF t he USA shared a common border with a
"white" country as poor and eager to enter the
USA, would he say and do the same things
as re the hispanics? Based on other things
he says, I kind of think he would.

FWIW, I see most of the association of Trump
with "racism" as a campaign thing ginned up
by the democrats. Both false and very harmful
to the nation as a whole.

Very similar to what does done in earlier times,
so I hear, calling people "pinkos" here, of
"capitalist roaders" on the other side of the
wide Paciric ocean.

Cant prove its wrong, cant defend against it.

I thought Hillary with her constant refrain of
"racist lie" directed toward Trump was
pretty revolting, for a number of reasons.

In the event, I am a racist myself, and I dont
think you can find anyone who is not.

Do I ever knowingly or consciously put my
gut reactions to various peoples into some sort
of negative action? I hope not.

How about positive? Yep, I do, for sure.

What exactly would you say it means to
"oppose racism"?

 

[Stevicus]

Is the way you write indicative of your education level?
This is a super ignorant thing you are proposing.

You obviously didn't get the reference. It's a line from a song. But I already know where you're coming from, so it's best to just drop it now.

 

[metis]

Not that I would have voted for Trump, but, who
do you think is this pure non racist who would
promote equality for all?

I'm just going to stop right here and say that I simply do not buy into false equivalencies.

As one who taught political science for roughly 25 years and who has studied and been involved in numerous civil rights activities over five decades, including for women's rights, this is a very sensitive subject for me. To imply that all people are racist simply is simply wrong. True, we all can be influenced by what's called "institutionalized racism", but that's a horse of a different color.

Trump has made it abundantly clear through his words and actions that he is racist, and no song and dance on your part will change that.

 

[Audie]

I'm just going to stop right here and say that I simply do not buy into false equivalencies.

As one who taught political science for roughly 25 years and who has studied and been involved in numerous civil rights activities over five decades, including for women's rights, this is a very sensitive subject for me. To imply that all people are racist simply is simply wrong. True, we all can be influenced by what's called "institutionalized racism", but that's a horse of a different color.

Trump has made it abundantly clear through his words and actions that he is racist, and no song and dance on your part will change that.

what is abundantly clear is that you came up with
"song and dance" from a purely ideological perspective
that eliminates your opinions from consideration.

 

[Audie]

You obviously didn't get the reference. It's a line from a song. But I already know where you're coming from, so it's best to just drop it now.

Song or not, the "make everyone equally poor"
thing is bonkers.

 

[Stevicus]

Not that I would have voted for Trump, but, who
do you think is this pure non racist who would
promote equality for all?

IF t he USA shared a common border with a
"white" country as poor and eager to enter the
USA, would he say and do the same things
as re the hispanics? Based on other things
he says, I kind of think he would.

FWIW, I see most of the association of Trump
with "racism" as a campaign thing ginned up
by the democrats. Both false and very harmful
to the nation as a whole.

Very similar to what does done in earlier times,
so I hear, calling people "pinkos" here, of
"capitalist roaders" on the other side of the
wide Paciric ocean.

Cant prove its wrong, cant defend against it.

I thought Hillary with her constant refrain of
"racist lie" directed toward Trump was
pretty revolting, for a number of reasons.

In the event, I am a racist myself, and I dont
think you can find anyone who is not.

Do I ever knowingly or consciously put my
gut reactions to various peoples into some sort
of negative action? I hope not.

How about positive? Yep, I do, for sure.

What exactly would you say it means to
"oppose racism"?

So, what were you saying about the way I write?

 

[Stevicus]

Song or not, the "make everyone equally poor"
thing is bonkers.

It's called justice. Ever hear of it?

 

[metis]

what is abundantly clear is that you came up with
"song and dance" from a purely ideological perspective
that eliminates your opinions from consideration.

Now you are just lying thorough your teeth as you know nothing about my upbringing and what I've been through and what my motivations are. So, instead, I'd rather discuss this with those who don't fabricate lies and who don't judge people whom they don't even know. I've been a victim of anti-Semitism and once a victim of black racism, so I know what that "territory" is like.

As with your admittance of being racist yourself, you clearly are prone to judge people on "externals" because that's what racists do, and that I do believe is morally repugnant. Maybe try and outgrow that, OK?

Goodbye.

 

[Koldo]

Low income is only part of it. Segregated redistricting, lack of representation, higher rates of being a victim of crime, and a staggering wage gap where average white households make six times more than average black households, race based housing discrimination.
Offering affirmative for low-income is a good step, and will largely be taken up by that demographic. But call a spade a spade.

Lack of representation ? Don't they live in a democracy ?
Higher rates of being a victim of crime ? Aren't the criminals themselves often from low-income families ?
If you fix the low income problem, don't you end up fixing the wage gap ?

As I see it, the vast majority of the problem is tied with money.

 

[Koldo]

Ok... what constitutes a group? Certain
fundamentalist churches typically are made
up of low income people.

Hiring preferences for JW, who self-inflict
their low educational achievement?

Another group could be "the drug addicts".

In principle, I wouldn't be in favour of affirmative action when it comes down to hiring preference.
I would prefer to see it in the form of poor people having access to higher education, a roof to live under and food to get by.

 

[DustyFeet]

...bearing false witness

... of being racist yourself, you clearly are prone to judge people on "externals" because that's what racists do

Shaul, are u listening?

 

[DustyFeet]

Shaul, you have painted yourself in a corner.

if you want to save face, yield.