Whites need not apply

[Shaul]

The damages from racial discrimination of the past don't disappear the moment the new generation no longer practices it. Though we certainly like to pretend it does. They're not looking for apologies from young white South African people, they're looking to have the same opportunities as them despite the impact apartheid had on their family's upward mobility, segregational redistricting and SA equivalent of gerrymandering.

That still doesn’t justify discriminating against White young people. There is no need to discriminate against White young people to help Black young people. There are other means available to do that. There is no justification for discrimination, none. Past or current discrimination against Blacks does not and can not justify discrimination against White. Only a racist would think that it can or would.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

That still doesn’t justify discriminating against White young people. There is no need to discriminate against White young people to help Black young people. There are other means available to do that. There is no justification for discrimination, none. Past or current discrimination against Blacks does not and can not justify discrimination against White. Only a racist would think that it can or would.

In what way would you assist in this endeavor that would not, by your own standards, be discriminatory and would not, by my standards, be completely ignoring the problem instead?

Racism created economic pitfalls for blacks in SA (and in the US) not experienced by whites. Only a racist thinks it hasn't. Therefore those black communities should receive aid tailored to their pitfalls.

 

[Shad]

The damages from racial discrimination of the past don't disappear the moment the new generation no longer practices it. Though we certainly like to pretend it does. They're not looking for apologies from young white South African people, they're looking to have the same opportunities as them despite the impact apartheid had on their family's upward mobility, segregational redistricting and SA equivalent of gerrymandering.

Yet this type of nonsense inflicts harm upon the next generation, which is not guilty of the crimes of the previous generation, by discriminating against them in whole sectors of the job market by fact of their skin colour. It is the same crap the previous generation pulled except by the majority this time with some smiles and pandering. A polished turd is still a turd. Racism by the majority is still racism.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yet this type of nonsense inflicts harm upon the next generation, which is not guilty of the crimes of the previous generation, by discriminating against them in whole sectors of the job market by fact of their skin colour. It is the same crap the previous generation pulled except by the majority this time with some smiles and pandering. A polished turd is still a turd. Racism by the majority is still racism.

Once again, anyone who denies that apartheid caused economic impacts which include current pitfalls for blacks in SA (and in the US) not experienced by whites is either uninformed, or racist. Suggesting addressing those specific pitfalls so that they can have equitable opportunity is not.

 

[Shaul]

Once again, anyone who denies that apartheid caused economic impacts which include current pitfalls for blacks in SA (and in the US) not experienced by whites is either uninformed, or racist. Suggesting addressing those specific pitfalls so that they can have equitable opportunity is not.

And once again, no one is saying apartheid didn’t cause damage. And once again you can’t correct a racist problem with yet more racism.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And once again, no one is saying apartheid didn’t cause damage. And once again you can’t correct a racist problem with yet more racism.

Still waiting for your suggestion on addressing the damage apartheid caused without focusing on black communities. Er, sorry, 'discriminating' against the people not suffering from those damages.

 

[Shad]

Once again, anyone who denies that apartheid caused economic impacts which include current pitfalls for blacks in SA (and in the US) not experienced by whites is either uninformed, or racist. Suggesting addressing those specific pitfalls so that they can have equitable opportunity is not.

I never denied it. I just said the idea of blocking people based on race only from a whole sector of the job market is racist with a shiny coating of paint. You are merely creating a pitfalls for other people as a solution. If you want to address problems you first remove all racial barrier not merely the ones you happen to not like. Increase public education funding, post-secondary grants and scholarships, lower taxes for small businesses and start-ups.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I never denied it. I just said the idea of blocking people based on race only from a whole sector of the job market is racist with a shiny coating of paint. You are merely creating a pitfalls for other people as a solution. If you want to address problems you first remove all racial barrier not merely the ones you happen to not like. Increase public education funding, post-secondary grants and scholarships, lower taxes for small businesses and start-ups.

So your idea of removing racial barriers is...not doing anything to address racial disparities and just do things that we should be doing anyway but has nothing to do with the current inequality that exists.
And they aren't barred from a sector of the job market, they just don't receive the benefit from the YES program. Find a better source than white nationalist websites.

 

[Koldo]

Once again, anyone who denies that apartheid caused economic impacts which include current pitfalls for blacks in SA (and in the US) not experienced by whites is either uninformed, or racist. Suggesting addressing those specific pitfalls so that they can have equitable opportunity is not.

My suggestion is quite simple: If the problem is economical disparity then all one has to do is create affirmative actions specifically for low-income groups. No reference to race is required.

 

[Shaul]

So your idea of removing racial barriers is...not doing anything to address racial disparities and just do things that we should be doing anyway but has nothing to do with the current inequality that exists.
And they aren't barred from a sector of the job market, they just don't receive the benefit from the YES program. Find a better source than white nationalist websites.

I didn’t say not to do anything, I said to try other things except those that use racism too. I never said Whites were barred from the jobs market. But barring them from a government program because of their race is racism. I quoted from several sources. Stop trying to make the issue the sources since you can’t refute the facts.

And stop trying to justify a racist South African government program. Otherwise people might mistakenly think you support racist programs. Only a racist would keep trying to justify a racist program.

 

[Shad]

So your idea of removing racial barriers is...not doing anything to address racial disparities and just do things that we should be doing anyway but has nothing to do with the current inequality that exists.

Wrong as racial barriers are one of the causes of said disparities. If you remove the racial barriers you remove a part of the cause of those disparities. You want equal outcome not opportunities.

And they aren't barred from a sector of the job market, they just don't receive the benefit from the YES program. Find a better source than white nationalist websites.

Ergo not the same opportunities as one group based on race not economic status has access to a program while another does not.

What website? I was addressing a comment you made... Keep your imagination in check.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, I didn’t miss the point. You want to change the topic. The basic facts are that South Africa’s Black led government has instituted a program that discriminates against Whites. You want to change the subject, too bad.

Just for you, here’s the same story from other sources which all report the same basic facts:

White South Africans barred from registering with Youth Employment Service

White South Africans Barred from Government Jobs Website

The problem is that you used a highly biased source. You did so again with The Hedge. I cannot find anything about The South African which also makes that source rather sketchy. You might have a valid claim here. The fact that no reliable sources seem to think so did not bode well for your claims.

 

[DustyFeet]

There is no need to discriminate against White young people to help Black young people

why not?

 

[DustyFeet]

Unjustifiable.

why?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

My suggestion is quite simple: If the problem is economical disparity then all one has to do is create affirmative actions specifically for low-income groups. No reference to race is required.

Low income is only part of it. Segregated redistricting, lack of representation, higher rates of being a victim of crime, and a staggering wage gap where average white households make six times more than average black households, race based housing discrimination.
Offering affirmative for low-income is a good step, and will largely be taken up by that demographic. But call a spade a spade.

If you remove the racial barriers you remove a part of the cause of those disparities.

There is no evidence this is true. Removing obstacles from the table but not addressing the damage those obstacles causes is half ***ing a solution. 'It's okay if blacks suffer more than whites now because we've stopped apartheid' is not a solution.

Ergo not the same opportunities as one group based on race not economic status has access to a program while another does not.

Which is nowhere near the same as being excluded from 'whole sectors of the job market'.

What website? I was addressing a comment you made... Keep your imagination in check.

You're not actually addressing the real situation in SA, just the white nationalist version of it.

I said to try other things except those that use racism too.

Your suggestion amounts to the same thing as ignoring it. Which is not acknowledging a racial disparity and perpetuating racism. Creating incentives for disadvantage due to race is no more 'racism' than creating programs for financially disadvantaged is 'classism'.


Anyway. I'm out. Had enough looking at white supremacist websites peddling hyperbole as fact for one week.

 

[DustyFeet]

There is no need to discriminate against White young people to help Black young people.

i feel like this is the pot calling the kettle black

 

[DustyFeet]

you're making a rule based on group membership? isn't that your principle complaint?

 

[DustyFeet]

Unjustifiable.

it could be justifiable based on circumstances

 

[DustyFeet]

not justifiable?
no need?

it's hard to prove "not" and "no"

 

[DustyFeet]

correction: Shaul, you are being hypocritical.
i assert: you are complaining about a rule based on group membership while at the same time making your own rule based on group membership.