Whites need not apply

[Audie]

Yes, I find the whole notion of racism having a root in power and all this to be ridiculous. Many on the right, however, can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that white nationalists, neo-Nazis, etc., are, in fact, racists.
It goes both ways.

You know, while I have really no contact with
that "many on the right" that you refer to, I kind
of think you are reading that wrong.

I am pretty sure that the overt racists know
exactly what they are, and far from seeing
a problem with it, feel they are solidly on
the correct side of things.

 

[Audie]

And you think the US is (or should be) a democracy? What would be your definition of a 'democracy'?

It has zero to do with "Trunp", that is for sure.

Republic: "A state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives..." Democracy: "A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives."

 

[BSM1]

It has zero to do with "Trunp", that is for sure.

Republic: "A state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives..." Democracy: "A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives."

Okay. So what's your beef?

 

[Audie]

Okay. So what's your beef?

I dont got no stinkin' beef here.

Other than it is stupid to try to make it
something bout Trump.

 

[BSM1]

I dont got no stinkin' beef here.

Other than it is stupid to try to make it
something bout Trump.

Okay, then...

 

[Koldo]

No.
As Trump supporters commonly point out, the USA is not a democracy.

Seriously, have you not read posts on this subject from @Revoltingest and @BSM1 and such?
Tom

I was talking about South Africa.
But what do you mean by saying the USA is not a democracy ? It is a constitutional democracy.

 

[Stevicus]

You've nothing to give except insults and ideology.

What? You gotta be kidding.

 

[Audie]

What? You gotta be kidding.

Well,not really.

There is this-

It should be simple for even you to figure out,

and then you talk about me stealing.

This after you advocate for armed agents
of the government to come steal my money.

Honestly, people in America!

So yeah, vapourware and insults.
Or no that was ideology.

Comes to the same thing in this case.

 

[Revoltingest]

No.
As Trump supporters commonly point out, the USA is not a democracy.

Seriously, have you not read posts on this subject from @Revoltingest and @BSM1 and such?
Tom

Of course we're a (representative) democracy.
(I'm not one of those obsessive pedants who demands the
word apply only to directly voted upon leaders & laws.)
But there are anti-democratic complexities.

 

[columbus]

Song or not, the "make everyone equally poor"
thing is bonkers.

Not any more bonkers than the "trickle down" economic theory espoused by Republicans from Reagan to Bush(es).

Apparently Trump is giving it another go.
Tom

 

[Cooky]

I can't believe 3 people said no.

 

[Cooky]

Not any more bonkers than the "trickle down" economic theory espoused by Republicans from Reagan to Bush(es).

Apparently Trump is giving it another go.
Tom

Except no Republican ever used that term. It's a derogatory term, invented by the left to describe their interpretation of what the right does.

 

[Audie]

Not any more bonkers than the "trickle down" economic theory espoused by Republicans from Reagan to Bush(es).

Apparently Trump is giving it another go.
Tom

Perhaps, but if you see that it is bonkers, good enuf.

 

[Stevicus]

Well,not really.

There is this-

It should be simple for even you to figure out,

Well, if you're going to nitpick over little things like this, then I could point out earlier comments you made in posts #48 and #53. But let's call it even at this point.

and then you talk about me stealing.

If you'll check, you'll notice I said "if."

This after you advocate for armed agents
of the government to come steal my money.

The government has the power to tax. It's not stealing. However, if you want to widen the definition of "stealing" in that way, then I suppose I could just as easily say that companies which charge their customers too much or pay their employees too little are equally guilty of stealing.

Honestly, people in America!

Have you got something against the people of America?

So yeah, vapourware and insults.
Or no that was ideology.

Comes to the same thing in this case.

Capitalism is an ideology, too, so you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of.

 

[Stevicus]

I do not think we have but sure.

Nonsense than nonsense now.

Well, as far as the song lyric is concerned, that's from a song by Ten Years After called "I'd Love To Change The World." It's not really meant to be taken literally.

 

[sayak83]

Get rid of the caste system. All you have shown is a backwards concept which should have died decades ago needs to remain on life support via government policy.

Caste system hahaha so progressive....

One can't get rid of races and castes by just banning them.

 

[Shad]

One can't get rid of races and castes by just banning them.

Government can refuse to endorse such a nonsensical concept and hire based on merit.

 

[sayak83]

Government can refuse to endorse such a nonsensical concept and hire based on merit.

Caste and racial prejudices will be dressed up in the language of "merit" and the practice of discrimination will continue apace. That has been the experience. True meritocracy gets established when every community gets equally represented in proportion to their population in jobs, education etc. Then the most able folks of the community gets the opportunity to participate in society in equal footing with all other communities of that society without any prejudice affecting the selection and inclusion. Unless you believe that some races or castes are inherently more skilled or able than others (a debunked belief that is at the heart of all racist ideas) such proportionate representation will be inherently meritocratic as well.

 

[Shad]

Caste and racial prejudices will be dressed up in the language of "merit" and the practice of discrimination will continue apace. That has been the experience. True meritocracy gets established when every community gets equally represented in proportion to their population in jobs, education etc.

Nope as you are using a quota system which uses merit as a secondary while caste is primary. That isn't "true" meritocracy. It is a window dressing

Then the most able folks of the community gets the opportunity to participate in society in equal footing with all other communities of that society without any prejudice affecting the selection and inclusion.

They can have that if the caste system was not used by government at all. Do you read what you type? Selection.... Inclusion. Nothing about merit.

Unless you believe that some races or castes are inherently more skilled or able than others (a debunked belief that is at the heart of all racist ideas) such proportionate representation will be inherently meritocratic as well.

Quota systems are not merit based by demographic based first.

Progressives are hilarious. Hating X yet using it for quotas...

 

[Audie]

Caste and racial prejudices will be dressed up in the language of "merit" and the practice of discrimination will continue apace. That has been the experience. True meritocracy gets established when every community gets equally represented in

People in power can and do corrupt and abuse
any system. All that is needed is intent.

A benign dictatorship would be terrif, if
you could find a benign and incorruptible
dictator!

Your undefined "true" meritocracy has never
existed, so saying when it "gets established"
is really just fantasy.

I cant get enthusiastic for any half baked
program imposed on socity vis social
engineers holding the levers of power.