Well, I guess that's where we differ. I see scientists as being as truthful as anybody else. It sounds to me like you think they're the enemy.
Scientists are not the enemy until they try to pass of scientific theories as fact. Darwin towards the end of his life or on his death bed said that he never intended his theories of evolution to be taught as fact and readily acknowledged that they were just that, THEORIES. I think he also had acknowledged he had a little to do with his theories being taught as fact, but later tried to clear that up by stating again that these were only theories not scientific facts....
Sometimes we are also guilty of taking scientific theories and passing them off as facts. I see this being done in high school classrooms and college lectures.... We turn a theory into fact by simply leaving out a few details of the original scientific discoveries.
Sometimes the facts get distorted over time also, the same way a person telling a story to another gets the facts mixed up when trying to retell the original story and then another tries to tell the story based on a regurgitated version of the original until the original story gets so distorted it doesn't even sound like or resemble the original...
I'll tell you something else that bothers me about your point of view. I get the feeling that, for some reason, you'd find the creation to be less of a miracle if it took place over several billion years than if it look place over 6000 years. Could you explain why that is?
Not less of a miracle, but less likely, and Adam could have hung out in the Garden for.... (let's do the calculations: let's just say Adam hung out for
10 million earth years in the Garden, after the earth was created in 6 days/6,000 years, in including the day/1,000 years God rested,
divided by 1,000 earth years to get heaven's timetable, which would give us
10,000 days as measured by heaven, divided by
365 days, which equals
27 years.
So in other words Adam and Eve waited
27 years to partake of the forbidden fruit.
Well at least they had a few good years in paradise before they had to leave that place...
Now I don't feel so bad for them...
But if what I have said in the past is true, the earth being only 13,00o years old, then Adam and Eve would've eaten the forbidden fruit on the day that God rested, the 7th millennium of the earth's existence, the time period from 6,000 to 7,000 in earth years.
They could have waited a day or two or a month or two or even a year or two or more, we don't know, but it seems like the pattern just would not fit, because there is nothing to back up Adam and Eve spending more than a day in the Garden....
Just my thoughts....and there are others who would agree with me on this...
just think about it and tell me if more than a day passed before Adam partook of the fruit....and we have to remember this was a long day, a thousand years in our time.....
Adam and Eve had a long time to think things over, wouldn't you agree, or was that thousand years like a day to them too ???
I think it was like a day to them also, but a lot can be accomplish/experienced in this time frame/heavens timetable...
From what I've heard from people who have died and experienced heaven and come back to tell about it they say that the time frame is so different there that 2 minutes being dead was like hours in that heavenly existence, just the opposite, but more was accomplished in those few hours than could be accomplished/learned in the same time frame on earth. So a day in the presences of God, like Adam and Eve experienced was a 1,000 years of experience on earth. Much more is learned/experienced in a day in heaven than could be experienced in a 1,000 years on earth...
How long would it take to get bored of the other fruits of the Garden, which would make you want to try a supposedly more tasty forbidden treat ???
That's the real question, then we can start talking in terms of days, months or years, which would equate to
thousands (days/months in heavens timetable) and
millions (years in heaven's timetable) of earth years...
If 27 years in heaven equals 10 million years on earth then 2,700 years in heaven would equal 1 billion years on earth...
Did Adam and Eve wait 2,700 years in paradise before eating the forbidden fruit or even 27 years ??? or just a day like the Bible seems to suggest, which would keep the time frame in the thousands of years not millions....
Even if they waited a month or two before eating the fruit that would still put the earth's age under 100,000 years...
The earth is nowhere near even that old.
Our top soil on the earth is only inches thick not even feet thick. Farmers have a horrible time trying to keep things growing on their lands. The soil must be rested or the land rotated at least every 7 years for things to continue to grow... Remember the horrible dust storms which wiped out so many farmers earlier in the last century ???? The topsoil literally blew away and they were forced off their farms in search of another way to make a living...
How is that possible after so many millions or billions of years that there is not more topsoil than we now have ???
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