Who Believe the Earth is 6000 Years Old???

[MilkyJoe]

To my certain knowledge, there are no trampolines in the fossil record older that 6,000 years. This strongly suggests that the earth cannot be older than that, for it is utterly inconceivable that life as we know it could exist on this planet without Girls On Trampolines.

What is the oldest known incidence of a trampoline in the fossil record?

 

[Kcnorwood]

A literal historical account with literal dates/time frame, yes.

Um when you post websites to support only YOUR theories it does not fly here.

Your going to get picked on alot here for that and your theories will be debunked rather quickly.... nevermind they already have.

 

[FFH]

Accurate according to the Bible

Um that seems to be the problem there no thinking for themselves.

:thud:

Okay fine, accurate according to Jewish scholars...

WWW.CHABAD.ORG

The Bible needs no affirmations, for those who accept it by faith, as long as it is translated correctly....

Joseph Smith has corrected these mistranslations which I have already gone over...

The Bible is accurate according to historical accounts recorded by Josephus and the like.

Satisfied now....

The Bible for the most part must be accepted by faith, although we have archeological evidences and secular historical records which affirm certain events in the Bible.

I really thought we were all way beyond that type of basic discussion, but I guess not.....

 

[Kcnorwood]

Heavy sigh.....

 

[FFH]

Um when you post websites to support only YOUR theories it does not fly here.

Your going to get picked on alot here for that and your theories will be debunked rather quickly.... nevermind they already have.

Makes no difference who or what is debunked, the truth still stands and will be rejected by most and accepted by only a few..

I can only point people in the right direction, to the truth that is right in front of them, so they can at least have a chance at obtaining the right infornation.

 

[fantome profane]

It's actually 6,000 for creation, then 1000 years of rest then we need to add 6.000 years from the time Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden until now....

So roughly 13,000 literal years since the first day of creation...

How do you come up with that 13000 years figure? Is that using the idea that a day is a thousand years?



I also want to point out there is a serious problem with the article you linked to about using the oceans as a means to date the earth. The idea is that if you look at the rate of erosion of a specific mineral and then compare that to the amount of that element that is dissolved in the oceans you can come up with a date. If you do this you come up with widely varying dates for different elements. This alone should give you pause. Did “God” create Sodium millions of years before creating lead? And if you use aluminum to do this you will find out that the oceans are only about 100 years old. Not very many YEC’s would argue that the earth is that young. So does that make you wonder what is going on here?

The problem is simple. These people have failed to take into account the amount of these elements that are removed from the oceans each year through various means. What they are doing is equivalent to using an hour glass with a hole in the bottom of it.


p.s. I don’t mean to be disrespectful to your beliefs, I just simply don’t share them. I do not want to roll my eyes at you, or give you heavy exasperated sighs, I just want to give a different point of view. And for the record I personally believe the earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. I believe that because of the evidence I have seen. If the evidence could be shown to indicate a different date I would accept that.

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[FFH]

How do you come up with that 13000 years figure? Is that using the idea that a day is a thousand years?

Yes, creation was 6 days, with one day of rest, in God's time, which is measured as a total of 7,000 years in our time....

From the time Adam was forced out of the Garden of Eden to Christ was 4,000 years, and of course 2,000 years have passed since the time of Christ....

 

[FFH]

I also want to point out there is a serious problem with the article you linked to about using the oceans as a means to date the earth. The idea is that if you look at the rate of erosion of a specific mineral and then compare that to the amount of that element that is dissolved in the oceans you can come up with a date. If you do this you come up with widely varying dates for different elements. This alone should give you pause. Did “God” create Sodium millions of years before creating lead? And if you use aluminum to do this you will find out that the oceans are only about 100 years old. Not very many YEC’s would argue that the earth is that young. So does that make you wonder what is going on here?

That's just one way of measuring the age of the earth.

Many also believe the different layers of the earth's crust gives us a definite age of the earth.

For instance if we look at the different sedimentary deposits seen in the walls of the Grand Canyon in Arizona, we see that there are several layers that seem to paint an historical picture of the age of the earth, but on closer inspection we see that these are just loosely deposited bits of sandstone and other debri, deposited by a world wide flood, further evidences of an event in the Bible. When these waters receded they eroded these loosely deposited materials and formed what we now know as the Grand Canyon.

 

[PHOTOTAKER]

Yes, creation was 6 days, with one day of rest, in God's time, which is measured as a total of 7,000 years in our time....

From the time Adam was forced out of the Garden of Eden to Christ was 4,000 years, and of course 2,000 years have passed since the time of Christ....

there is no way to tell how long Adam was in the garden and how long the earth is before the body of adam was formed... it could be trillions of years... there are structures that date back 5000 years but there really isn't anything beyond that, there is one structure that could be 5000 to 8000 years and even that there is a great error with carbon dating...

 

[FFH]

there is no way to tell how long Adam was in the garden and how long the earth is before the body of adam was formed... it could be trillions of years...

Good point, I was wondering when someone would point this out...

For instance Adam was created on the 6th day and he named the animals, then God rested on the 7th day, but we are not told at what point during this period or after this period Adam ate the forbidden fruit.

The only thing we can go by is the pattern set forth by God.

6 days of creation and 1 day of rest.

6,000 years man has labored with his own hands and at the beginning of the final 1,000 years we enter into a period of rest, when the Lord will return and make all things new again. The Lord will come and give us rest from our labors...

The pattern is clear...

6,000 years of creation and 1,000 years of rest.
6,000 years of the curse of Adam (men must labor by the sweat of their brow all his days) and 1,000 years of rest, when Christ will return and breaks the curse of our first parents, Adam and Eve, and we live with Christ in a world of peace, rest and no pain....

 

[MysticSang'ha]

How do you explain this?



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0216_050216_omo.html

Oldest Human Fossils Identified

Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News

February 16, 2005

Human fossils found 38 years ago in Africa are 65,000 years older than previously thought, a new study says—pushing the dawn of "modern" humans back 35,000 years. New dating techniques indicate that the fossils are 195,000 years old. The two skulls and some bones were first uncovered on opposite sides of Ethiopia's Omo River in 1967 by a team led by Richard Leakey. The fossils, dubbed Omo I and Omo II, were dated at the time as being about 130,000 years old. But even then the researchers themselves questioned the accuracy of the dating technique.


The new findings, published in the February 17 issue of the journal Nature, establish Omo I and II as the oldest known fossils of modern humans. The prior record holders were fossils from Herto, Ethiopia, which dated the emergence of modern humans in Africa to about 160,000 years ago.

"The new dating confirms the place of the Omo fossils as landmark finds in unraveling our origins," said Chris Stringer, director of the Human Origins Group at the Natural History Museum in London.

The 195,000-year-old date coincides with findings from genetic studies on modern human populations. Such studies can be extrapolated to determine when the earliest modern humans lived.

The findings also add credibility to the widely accepted "Out of Africa" theory of human origins which holds that modern humans (later versions of Homo sapiens) first appeared in Africa and then spread out to colonize the rest of the world.

The new date also widens the gap between when anatomically modern humans emerged and when "cultural" traits—such as the creation of art and music, religious practices, and sophisticated tool-making techniques—seem to have appeared. Evidence of culture is not extensively documented in the archaeological record until around 50,000 years ago.

The wider gap could add fuel to a long-term debate swirling around when modern human behavior, as opposed to modern human anatomy, emerged.

"Those who believe that there is widely scattered evidence of 'modern' behavior going back 200,000 years in Africa will be delighted that modern human anatomy also goes back that far," said John Fleagle, a physical anthropologist at Stony Brook University in New York and one of the co-authors of the study. "[Scientists] who believe that modern human behavior only appeared abruptly about 50,000 years ago will see [the new date as] further expanding the distinction and the temporal gap between modern anatomy and modern behavior."

Dating Through Geology
Somewhat surprisingly, the first thing the scientific team had to do to come up with the new dates was to relocate the precise location where the fossil remains had been excavated in 1967. They were able to do this using National Geographic Society video footage taken during the first excavation. They also used photographs taken by Karl Butzer, a geologist currently at the University of Texas, who did the original geological studies of the site. Also helpful were hand-drawn maps from the late Paul Abell, another member of the 1967 team.
"So we know where Omo I and Omo II are now, and they're now documented by GPS, so they won't get lost again. But we didn't have GPS 40 years ago," said Frank Brown, a geologist at the University of Utah and a co-author of the study.

This is regarding archaelogical findings on "modern" humans, too. Click on the link to read the rest of the story.



Peace,
Mystic

 

[joeboonda]

While their are Christians who believe in creation and evolution, I know I believe in creation at least. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. As for a young earth, to me the evidence points to that more than to the billions and billions of years needed for evolution. The evidence looks to me like their was a great flood (of Noah), that is what the fossil record indicates to me. I also believe Jesus walked on the water, so its no great leap of faith to believe God created the heavens and the earth. It is a leap of faith for me to believe, "long long ago, in a land far away...in other words, billions and billions of years ago, in the primordial soup... Please! No way. Not for me, brother. The human eye alone is too complex to have 'evolved'. No thank-you.

 

[Rough_ER]

The evidence looks to me like their was a great flood (of Noah)

What evidence?

 

[Rough_ER]

The human eye alone is too complex to have 'evolved'.

You know full well that this isn't true. Darwin explained how the eye could easily be formed by natural selection. It would only take an astonishing 400,000 generations. Really, the eye is such an easy thing to evolved. So much so that it has evolved several times over, each on independently of the other.

 

[Katzpur]

I feel you pain brotha...

That makes two of us. *reminds self to bite tongue*

 

[Paraprakrti]

2 Peter 3:8

"(...)that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

I understand how this can be interpreted to mean that our thousand years equals a single day to God, but on the other hand it states that not only is the day as a thousand years, but a thousand years is as one day. It doesn't seem like a conversion to me, but instead an example of how time is not a factor to an eternal God. His day is our thousand years just as His thousand years is our day. Any number could be used with this comparison and it would have the same result. One could equally say that God's day is our billion years and His billion years is our day. The point isn't a one-way conversion, but to show that time is as nothing to God.

 

[Katzpur]

I have heard this a few times in the past and it has peaked my interest. Who believes that the earth is only 6000 years old? More so than that, Why?

I wish you'd added a public poll for this thread. I believe a mod can do that for you ever after the thread has been going awhile. If you want me to, PM me and let me know what you want the choices to be (just "yes" and "no" or some other options).

 

[Comprehend]

A literal historical account with literal dates/time frame, yes.

your world must be a strange and confusing one...:run:

 

[Bishka]

I'm not real concerned with how old the earth is. It doesn't affect my belief in God, nor does it really affect me at all.

 

[joeboonda]

You know full well that this isn't true. Darwin explained how the eye could easily be formed by natural selection. It would only take an astonishing 400,000 generations. Really, the eye is such an easy thing to evolved. So much so that it has evolved several times over, each on independently of the other.

Hey, if that's what you wanna believe, be my guest.