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Who Created Evolution?

DavidFirth

DavidFirth

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Father Heathen said:
The overwhelming consensus among the international scientific community is that, yes, is is conclusive. The only reason someone would "interpret it differently" is because they can't accept the possibility that some random goat herders from ancient times might've been wrong about a few things. Tell me, why would any sane, sensible person believe and trust ancient goat herders over modern scientists?
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Argument from Authority is fallacious.
 
Mister Silver

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
Kemosloby said:
No, not Darwin. God created evolution. Darwin may have noticed some things like cross breeding and adaptation, called it evolution, and after a few puffs of the wacky weed, decided people came from monkeys. But for whatever part of evolution is true, God created at the time of creation. God created both the visible and invisible. The systems of the life cycle are a part of the creation; adaptation, survival of the fittest, luck, winning. The things people call evolution.

Collosians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
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One of the worst atrocities to be done to mankind is to attribute to a nonexistent deity that which man achieved on his own.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
DavidFirth said:
Argument from Authority is fallacious.
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Indeed.
DavidFirth said:
I get that. But the evidence can be interpreted in a completely different way, too. And the evidence isn't definitely conclusive either way.
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That is ultimately an attempt at putting a veneer of respectability to the message that you truly want to disregard what is actually known in favor of stubborn belief.
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
LuisDantas said:
Indeed.

That is ultimately an attempt at putting a veneer of respectability to the message that you truly want to disregard what is actually known in favor of stubborn belief.
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It isn't actually known, but is only thought to be. Your scientists have a stubborn belief in their theories that they can't prove. You can't have it both ways.
 
Mister Silver

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
DavidFirth said:
Well, I'm interested in your proof that no deity exists or that no deity influenced that war in any way. Go for it.
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I am afraid that the burden of proof rests solely on your shoulders. After all, it is rather foolish for someone to point to any work of fiction and demand that I prove the characters within that work of fiction are not real.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
DavidFirth said:
It isn't actually known, but is only thought to be. Your scientists have a stubborn belief in their theories that they can't prove. You can't have it both ways.
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The trouble with your argument is that once you lower your standards that much, you can't be certain of anything anymore.

Edited to add: but an even bigger problem is that you seem to feel entitled to decreeing "truth" out of, of all things, scriptural claims. And then you expect other people to submit to that expectation for some inescruptable reason.

That, frankly, makes no sense. Worse still, that also betrays a huge amount of vanity, perhaps disguised as "humility towards God's truth".

Like it or else, the universe did not see fit to gift you with such authority.
 
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leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Kemosloby said:
No, not Darwin. God created evolution. Darwin may have noticed some things like cross breeding and adaptation, called it evolution, and after a few puffs of the wacky weed, decided people came from monkeys. But for whatever part of evolution is true, God created at the time of creation. God created both the visible and invisible. The systems of the life cycle are a part of the creation; adaptation, survival of the fittest, luck, winning. The things people call evolution.

Collosians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
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Do you have any evidence (beyond mere unsubstantiated biblical claims) to back up this claim? Or are you just proselytizing?
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
DavidFirth said:
Faith based on fact and truth isn't blind faith.
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I'm not really sure faith based on fact and truth is actually faith at all, although that might depend on your definition of fact and truth.

DavidFirth said:
Those who believe in macroevolution are putting their faith in scientists' interpretation of the evidence. You beliefs are based on faith, too.
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My faith is not in any particular scientific theory, to be honest. It is more that it has proven itself a useful approach, and done so in measurable and tangible ways.

It never proves anything, nor does it claim to be error free.

However, if your point is that I take some things on faith without evidence that they are definitely correct, then yes, I do.
Philosophically I don't see how it's possible not to.

I'm unsure how general beliefs held for utility can be compared to specific beliefs, but I'd be reluctant to go further without better understanding your specific beliefs.
 
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