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Who created God?

waitasec

waitasec

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Sleeppy said:
Your comparison is off..

Randomness and chance can't have part in explaining something that always existed. But, I think that is how they explain the birth of the universe - big bang etc.
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and the chance that god just happens to exist...?
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Sleeppy

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
jamesmorrow said:
Not at all. Nothing is not something. To say that nothing created god is not to say something created god. It is to say god was not created. You also have to consider that god could have always existed in a multitude of shapes, sizes, characteristics, natures attributes or lack thereof. These are the chances of gods existence. Out of this infinite multitude of chances god existed at one random chance created by nothing. So we have nothingness and random chance.
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No. You're actually giving 'nothing' the definition for something, by saying that it did something. Nothing does nothing. Only something can do something.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Sleeppy said:
..I'm not sure how to respond to this.
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because your argument is self defeating.

you say "the universe came from nothing....how can something come from nothing?" while not applying the same logic to god...
in order for your argument to make sense you need to apply the same logic to both the universe and god.

god came from nothing = the universe came from nothing.
 
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Sleeppy

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
waitasec said:
because your argument is self defeating.

you say "the universe came from nothing....how can something come from nothing, while not applying the same logic to god...?"
in order for your argument to make sense you need to apply the same logic to both the universe and god.

god came from nothing = the universe came from nothing.
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That's not my argument. Obviously, because I believe in God, I believe existence came from Him.

To me, the only other sensible belief is that something else always existed. If the universe began from the Big Bang, as they say, then something before it was ever existing.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Sleeppy said:
That's not my argument. Obviously, because I believe in God, I believe existence came from Him.
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who created god? something can't come from nothing, right?

To me, the only other sensible belief is that something else always existed. If the universe began from the Big Bang, as they say, then something before it was ever existing.
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there is no way, thus far, to know what caused the big bang.
and to simply say "an uncaused cause caused the universe because something can't come from nothing" is defeating the 'uncaused cause caused' argument.
 
Sleeppy

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
waitasec said:
then you must apply the same logic to the universe...
maybe the big bang was a really big super nova...from a previous universe?
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I said:

To me, the only other sensible belief is that something else always existed. If the universe began from the Big Bang, as they say, then something before it was ever existing.
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I never made the argument that you said I did.
 
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