So you can't be bothered to say why you'd ask for proof in the first place.
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Who did the Muslims worship?
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So you can't be bothered to say why you'd ask for proof in the first place.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
i didn't ask for any proof of the kind that you are thinking of at this very moment.
would you like me to wright that in capital letters?
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Both....
time because thats a ridiculous amount of time
The grudge itself as its essentially arrogance and stroking the ego....
however unless I am wrong, you are one of the muslims that actually believes the grudge is a good thing....
fortunatly not all Muslims are that stupid...
Of course many Jews are just as stupid....:sarcastic
I mean good, 5000 frickin years...and you cant say "sorry"
:sarcastic
Someone needs their botty spanked and to go to bed without supper
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
interesting.
show me my post where i have said that the grudge is a good thing?
show me where have i said that you are stupid.
where have i said this, can you direct me in any way?
wasn't it about 3 -4 thousand the first time you mentioned this? oh i fogot time goes forward not backwards.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Sura 63: The Hypocrites </B>
[FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]Of Madina [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]In the name of the merciful and compassionate God.
1 When the hypocrites come to thee, they say, We bear witness that thou art surely the Apostle of God; but God knows that thou art His Apostle: and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars! 2 They take their faith for a cloak, and then they turn folks from Gods way: evil is that which they have done! 3 That is because they believed and then disbelieved, wherefore is a stamp set on their hearts so that they do not understand!
4 And when thou seest them, their persons please thee; but if they speak, thou listenest to their speech: they are like timber propped up: they reckon every noise against them! They are the foe, so beware of them!-God fight against them, how they lie! 5 And when it is said to them, Come, and the Apostle of God will ask forgiveness for you! they turn away their heads, and thou mayest see them turning away since they are so big with pride! 6 It is the same to them whether thou dost ask forgiveness for them, or whether thou dost not ask forgiveness for them, God will not forgive them; verily, God guides not a people who work abomination! 7 They it is who say, Expend not in alms upon those who are with the Apostle of God, in order that they may desert him!-but Gods are the treasures of the heavens and the earth; but the hypocrites have no sense!
8 They say, If we return to Madina, the mightier will surely drive out the meaner therefrom; but to God belongs the might, and to His Apostle and to the believers; but the hypocrites do not know! 9 O ye who believe! let not your property nor your children divert you from the remembrance of God,- for whosoever does that, they are those who lose! 10 But expend in alms of what we have bestowed upon you before death come on any one of you, and he says, My Lord! wouldst thou but have respited me till an appointed time nigh at hand, then would I surely give in charity and be among the righteous! 11 But God will never respite a soul when its appointed time has come: and God of what ye do is well aware!
...........
further:
References to Jews in the Koran
Conclusion, you don't know your own religion. The hatred of jews within Islam goes back centuries.....
The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History, scholar Danusha Goska summarizes:
Muslims did not learn their anti-Semitism from Christianity. http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Islamic-Antisemitism-Sacred-History/dp/1591025540/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_tMuslims who had never met a Jew or a Christian brought their culturally-ingrained anti-Semitism with them into India, a largely Hindu and Buddhist sub-continent. Nor did they aquire anti-Semitism from Scientific Racism's or Nazism's racial disdain for Jews. Arabs are Semites, just as Jews are. Muslims forced Jews to wear distinctive badges more than a thousand years before Hitler did so. Christians also had to wear identifying badges under Muslim leaders.
The Koran is replete with anti-Semitic verses, most notoriously, the ones equating Jews with "pigs and monkeys." There is also the hadith, or saying of Mohammed, that rocks will speak to Muslims, asking them to kill Jews. These verses are freely cited by Islamic religious leaders today, as Muslim sermons posted on youtube reveals. Mohammed, the founder of Islam, exercised murderous hostility toward Jews.
It will be very difficult to discover reformers within Islam who wish to co-exist with Jews in respect and tolerance; it will be even harder for those reformers to realize their dreams. Islam leaves no room for reform, especially when it comes to hostility to non-Muslims, especially Jews. The Koran is believed to be the perfect, unchanging, eternal word of God, and the Muslim God refers to Jews as monkey and pigs.
http://solomon2.blogspot.com/2005/01/why-exactly-do-muslims-hate-jews.html
[/FONT]The Koran is replete with anti-Semitic verses, most notoriously, the ones equating Jews with "pigs and monkeys." There is also the hadith, or saying of Mohammed, that rocks will speak to Muslims, asking them to kill Jews. These verses are freely cited by Islamic religious leaders today, as Muslim sermons posted on youtube reveals. Mohammed, the founder of Islam, exercised murderous hostility toward Jews.
It will be very difficult to discover reformers within Islam who wish to co-exist with Jews in respect and tolerance; it will be even harder for those reformers to realize their dreams. Islam leaves no room for reform, especially when it comes to hostility to non-Muslims, especially Jews. The Koran is believed to be the perfect, unchanging, eternal word of God, and the Muslim God refers to Jews as monkey and pigs.
http://solomon2.blogspot.com/2005/01/why-exactly-do-muslims-hate-jews.html
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
AS for the rest, I said UNLESS I AM WRONG
Afterall you are the one posting simplistic ideas about evolution... it gets confusing who the fundamentalists are!
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
YEAH BIG TIME
it would be a totally different situation if only you knew what evolution means, and i mean the word not the theory
Sura 63: The Hypocrites </B>
[FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]Of Madina [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]In the name of the merciful and compassionate God.
1 When the hypocrites come to thee, they say, We bear witness that thou art surely the Apostle of God; but God knows that thou art His Apostle: and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars! 2 They take their faith for a cloak, and then they turn folks from Gods way: evil is that which they have done! 3 That is because they believed and then disbelieved, wherefore is a stamp set on their hearts so that they do not understand!
4 And when thou seest them, their persons please thee; but if they speak, thou listenest to their speech: they are like timber propped up: they reckon every noise against them! They are the foe, so beware of them!-God fight against them, how they lie! 5 And when it is said to them, Come, and the Apostle of God will ask forgiveness for you! they turn away their heads, and thou mayest see them turning away since they are so big with pride! 6 It is the same to them whether thou dost ask forgiveness for them, or whether thou dost not ask forgiveness for them, God will not forgive them; verily, God guides not a people who work abomination! 7 They it is who say, Expend not in alms upon those who are with the Apostle of God, in order that they may desert him!-but Gods are the treasures of the heavens and the earth; but the hypocrites have no sense!
8 They say, If we return to Madina, the mightier will surely drive out the meaner therefrom; but to God belongs the might, and to His Apostle and to the believers; but the hypocrites do not know! 9 O ye who believe! let not your property nor your children divert you from the remembrance of God,- for whosoever does that, they are those who lose! 10 But expend in alms of what we have bestowed upon you before death come on any one of you, and he says, My Lord! wouldst thou but have respited me till an appointed time nigh at hand, then would I surely give in charity and be among the righteous! 11 But God will never respite a soul when its appointed time has come: and God of what ye do is well aware!
...........
further:
References to Jews in the Koran
Conclusion, you don't know your own religion. The hatred of jews within Islam goes back centuries.....
The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History, scholar Danusha Goska summarizes:
Muslims did not learn their anti-Semitism from Christianity. http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Islamic-Antisemitism-Sacred-History/dp/1591025540/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_tMuslims who had never met a Jew or a Christian brought their culturally-ingrained anti-Semitism with them into India, a largely Hindu and Buddhist sub-continent. Nor did they aquire anti-Semitism from Scientific Racism's or Nazism's racial disdain for Jews. Arabs are Semites, just as Jews are. Muslims forced Jews to wear distinctive badges more than a thousand years before Hitler did so. Christians also had to wear identifying badges under Muslim leaders.[/FONT]
The Koran is replete with anti-Semitic verses, most notoriously, the ones equating Jews with "pigs and monkeys." There is also the hadith, or saying of Mohammed, that rocks will speak to Muslims, asking them to kill Jews. These verses are freely cited by Islamic religious leaders today, as Muslim sermons posted on youtube reveals. Mohammed, the founder of Islam, exercised murderous hostility toward Jews.
It will be very difficult to discover reformers within Islam who wish to co-exist with Jews in respect and tolerance; it will be even harder for those reformers to realize their dreams. Islam leaves no room for reform, especially when it comes to hostility to non-Muslims, especially Jews. The Koran is believed to be the perfect, unchanging, eternal word of God, and the Muslim God refers to Jews as monkey and pigs.
http://solomon2.blogspot.com/2005/01/why-exactly-do-muslims-hate-jews.html
Response: Amazing. I asked for you to quote from the qu'ran where it says that all jews are hypocrites and that muslim hatred for jews goes back for centuries, and you present surah 63 in which no where does it say that all jews are hypocrites nor does it say that muslim hatred for jews goes back centuries.
What is more interesting is this: Neither the word "jew", or "hatred", or "century", is in the whole chapter!!! So not only have we concluded that you are a liar, but you can't even comprehend simple english.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
ev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion 
 /ˌɛv
Show Spelled Pronunciation [ev-uh-loo-shuh
Show IPA Use evolution in a Sentence
noun 1.any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane. 2.a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research. 3.Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.4.a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.5.a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.6.a pattern formed by or as if by a series of movements: the evolutions of a figure skater. 7.an evolving or giving off of gas, heat, etc.8.Mathematics. the extraction of a root from a quantity. Compare involution (def. 8).9.a movement or one of a series of movements of troops, ships, etc., as for disposition in order of battle or in line on parade.10.any similar movement, esp. in close order drill.
Origin:
161525; < L ēvolūtiōn- (s. of ēvolūtiō) an unrolling, opening, equiv. to ēvolūt(us) (see evolute ) + -iōn- -ion
Related forms:
ev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion⋅al, adjective
ev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion⋅al⋅ly, adverb
Synonyms:
1. unfolding, change, progression, metamorphosis.
Antonyms:
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
even your fellow muslim knows I am right learn some history....
Muslims consider themselves to be the completion of the peoples of the book, and those before them to be in error....:sarcastic
Next you'll be saying Muslims dont beleive in Angels :ignore::areyoucra
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
ev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion əˈluʃən or, especially Brit., ˌivə-/n or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-]
Use evolution in a Sentence
noun 1.any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane. 2.a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research. 3.Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.4.a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.5.a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.6.a pattern formed by or as if by a series of movements: the evolutions of a figure skater. 7.an evolving or giving off of gas, heat, etc.8.Mathematics. the extraction of a root from a quantity. Compare involution (def. 8).9.a movement or one of a series of movements of troops, ships, etc., as for disposition in order of battle or in line on parade.10.any similar movement, esp. in close order drill.
Origin:
161525; < L ēvolūtiōn- (s. of ēvolūtiō) an unrolling, opening, equiv. to ēvolūt(us) (see evolute ) + -iōn- -ion
Related forms:
ev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion⋅al, adjective
ev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion⋅al⋅ly, adverb
Synonyms:
1. unfolding, change, progression, metamorphosis.
Antonyms:
you have really said quite a lot about your self with this.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
how did you come to that conclussion?
not all jews are reffered to as hypocrites, and no specific age is mentioned about when moses lived nor how old the jewish people are.
you are wrong i must say.
and this is comming from someone who need a lecture or two himself right.
which muslim has said this exctly?
you don't so whats the problem.
learn some history....
Muslims consider themselves to be the completion of the peoples of the book, and those before them to be in error....:sarcastic
Next you'll be saying Muslims dont beleive in Angels :ignore::areyoucra
Response: Another assertion. After being caught out with not only a lie but your inability to comprehend, (post 48) you want to say that another muslim says that the qur'an says that all jews are hypocrites? Quote the post, if you are truthful.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
i never said that you didn't define it properly, i just said it tells alot about yourself.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
how does it tell a lot about myself?
I actually dont agree with the theory of evolution as the only answer, at all.
It (evolution theory) is inherantly flawed.
However that does not make "God did it" any less stupid
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Another assertion?
Are you saying not all muslims believe in angels?
Hypocrits, unbelievers, I forget which....
I am pretty sure hypocrits are generally seen as jews and unbelievers as christians by modern qu'ran scholars
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
do i look like a psychologist to you?
great news.
so i assume you believe we came about by chance then, or that too is stupid?
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
chance?
No, I believe in evolution with a spiritual content with direction via "God"
although you know, I really dont think, or care about "evolution" ....
to me its a stupid question....
Spiritual truths are beyond such limited concepts..... Just as in Islam you admit that God is beyond knowing.... I really feel the same when it comes to "evolution"
Evolution I think plays a big part in the physical, but there is more than the physical.. at present evolution theory only deals with the physical....
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
of course it does deal with the physical, it can't prove that let alone to go into spiritual wich i recon you thinking about evolution being spiritual is completely non realistic. evolution does not suppor that kind of stuff, especially spirituality which science is in contradiction with.