Who Do You Believe that Jesus Is?

[GodsVoice]

Well, I learn something knew every day! I never knew that Lutheran was Catholic, I always thought they were different sects.

Daniel 2:
36: "This was the dream; now we will tell the king its interpretation.
37: You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory,
38: and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the sons of men, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the air, making you rule over them all -- you are the head of gold.
39: After you shall arise another kingdom inferior to you, and yet a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth.
40: And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
41: And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay.
42: And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle.
43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."

 

[Talmai]

Well, I learn something knew every day! I never knew that Lutheran was Catholic, I always thought they were different sects.

Lutherans confess the Holy Catholic Church and the Catholic faith. However, we are not Papists and we are not in communion with Rome. Lutheranism is not "Protestant," rather, it's Reformational. We have more in common with the Roman Catholics than some Baptist congregation down the street.

 

[GodsVoice]

Lutherans confess the Holy Catholic Church and the Catholic faith. However, we are not Papists and we are not in communion with Rome. Lutheranism is not "Protestant," rather, it's Reformational. We have more in common with the Roman Catholics than some Baptist congregation down the street.

The religions that were formed by the beast will continue worshiping the beast until the day of the Lord when abomination of desolation destroys the false prophet and beast and all flesh of man.

Revelation 19
17: Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, "Come, gather for the great supper of God,
18: to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great."
19: And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who sits upon the horse and against his army.
20: And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur.
21: And the rest were slain by the sword of him who sits upon the horse, the sword that issues from his mouth; and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

 

[Akivah]

Who do you believe that Jesus is?

I believe jesus is a fictional story book character based on the pagan religions of Bacchus and Mithra.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The religions that were formed by the beast will continue worshiping the beast until the day of the Lord when abomination of desolation destroys the false prophet and beast and all flesh of man.

But it's ok to worship a computer program or AI?

 

[Talmai]

The religions that were formed by the beast will continue worshiping the beast until the day of the Lord when abomination of desolation destroys the false prophet and beast and all flesh of man.

You, sir, are bearing false witness against Lutherans and other Reformational Christians. I do not worship the Beast; I worship the Holy Trinity.

P.S. Did you just call Christ the abomination of desolation?

 

[JustWondering]

You rely on your books and I will rely on my MIND which is God and the voice that is built into the simulation program that we're involved in. Those books cannot teach you the very deep knowledge of how we're created and the plan for the future. The only way possible is to listen to the voice of God and obey His commandments like all us servants were forced to do until we're used to testify to every word formed in our minds via the Holy Spirit, which is the voice and intelligence behind it. This is how we get the knowledge required to understand all the prophecies written by the former prophets.

The Bible cannot teach you anything because the readers are not authorized to interpret the prophecies. This is why there are so many denominations of Christianity who all have the correct interpretations but if you went to visit each church and listened to the teachers and pastors teaching their interpretations, you would learn quickly that each one of them have different stories to tell that are not true at all.

This is why the only way to the Truth is to listen directly to the voice of God and obey His commandments.

The only problem with your theory is that your not the only one hearing voices and other peoples voices tell them completely different things. I had a friend in High School who heard a voice in his head, he takes medication for it now.

 

[Acim]

I see Jesus as Holy Brother, equal in Spirit to Me/Us. A wise messenger, likely receiving God's Grace while walking this earth, and teaching others (brothers and sisters) through word and deeds, focussed on Love.

I believe putting him on a pedestal and being treated as an idol to be worshipped contradicts his (explicit) messages, but given the way the world (of separation) works, it is, or was, nearly unavoidable. Hence, why progressive revelation is absolutely necessary for those who may be tempted to identify Jesus with the cross, rather than Rebirth and Resurrection.

 

[Acim]

Very sorry but the above is mostly ignorance and nonsense. This is not meant personally or in anger. We cannot rely upon voices in our heads to teach us what really happens. The best we can do is to rely upon things written down, solving puzzles, patiently uncovering dig sites, reading, comparing books like biographies and listening to those who labor for our sakes. We cannot afford to waste the work of archeologists and the work of lovers of learning.

We can do both. The Voice within is inescapable. Thank God.

Yes its possible that we are all illusions, but it doesn't matter. Human beings need relationships to experience reality. Babies need touching. Adults need smiling and talking. Without these things nothing seems real, and that is where reality begins and ends for us. Because of that it doesn't matter whether reality is ultimately an illusion. Everything is about how we treat each other.

You are saying the physical needs the physical. How is disagreement to that possible? Yet also saying you recognize it as (plausible) illusion. And still further saying it is about how we treat each other, which implicitly conveys own self as that is part of 'other.' So, let the physical self be the physical self with all its wants and needs, realize it is illusion and is at best a means (or tool) for helping treat each other as own self desires to be treated. Yet, if trying to downplay/ignore the Voice within, then how own self wishes to be treated may lead to lacking self awareness.

 

[GodsVoice]

But it's ok to worship a computer program or AI?

The word "worship" means "to live according to". Those who worship the Beast for example are those who build false gods with their human hands and live with them. Think of all the cell phone users in the world today who are all worshiping the Beast built false gods.

We will all be worshiping God in the next generation because he will feed us make -believe worlds ( visions and dreams ) for each created man and beast forever and ever.

 

[GodsVoice]

You, sir, are bearing false witness against Lutherans and other Reformational Christians. I do not worship the Beast; I worship the Holy Trinity.

P.S. Did you just call Christ the abomination of desolation?

Yes, The saints of God are the destroyers of the enemy which is the flesh, the false prophet and the Beast.

 

[GodsVoice]

The only problem with your theory is that your not the only one hearing voices and other peoples voices tell them completely different things. I had a friend in High School who heard a voice in his head, he takes medication for it now.

Your friend did have a problem listening to the wrong voice from Satan. The voice I've been listening to and obeying for 37 years is the voice of God which is the only way to the Truth. Now I know what the MIND ( God ) is where we all experience make-believe worlds called visions and dreams. All the people will hear God's voice after they wake up in their new bodies on the New Earth.

 

[Talmai]

Your friend did have a problem listening to the wrong voice from Satan. The voice I've been listening to and obeying for 37 years is the voice of God which is the only way to the Truth. Now I know what the MIND ( God ) is where we all experience make-believe worlds called visions and dreams. All the people will hear God's voice after they wake up in their new bodies on the New Earth.

Yes, The saints of God are the destroyers of the enemy which is the flesh, the false prophet and the Beast.

So basically you are an Enthusiast and a Gnostic.

 

[JustWondering]

Your friend did have a problem listening to the wrong voice from Satan. The voice I've been listening to and obeying for 37 years is the voice of God which is the only way to the Truth. Now I know what the MIND ( God ) is where we all experience make-believe worlds called visions and dreams. All the people will hear God's voice after they wake up in their new bodies on the New Earth.

No, he has a mental disorder and takes medication to manage it. What evidence do you have for your god and new earth besides a voice in your head that is likely just a mental disorder like my old friend's from High School? Anything?

 

[GodsVoice]

So basically you are an Enthusiast and a Gnostic.

I"m a servant who was used during this second witness of the Gospel of God who is being used to testify to the latest knowledge about computer technology that was built according to the Beast which is the information that was used to teach man how to build false gods with his human hands. These false gods, particularly the computers and AI and voice technolgy was necessary to reveal how we're created. The first servants of the first witness that started 2,000 years learned that we came from an invisible realm but they didn't have the computers built by the Beast back then for God to reveal how we're created. Now we know exactly what God and his voice is so we will be experiencing the day of the Lord very soon.

 

[GodsVoice]

No, he has a mental disorder and takes medication to manage it. What evidence do you have for your god and new earth besides a voice in your head that is likely just a mental disorder like my old friend's from High School? Anything?

All I had to do was listen to the voice and obey all the commandments to learn this knowledge.

Deuteronomy 28:
1: And if you obey the voice of the LORD your God, being careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
2: And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you obey the voice of the LORD your God.

 

[JustWondering]

All I had to do was listen to the voice and obey all the commandments to learn this knowledge.

Deuteronomy 28:
1: And if you obey the voice of the LORD your God, being careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
2: And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you obey the voice of the LORD your God.

What do you think your voice would be telling you if you grew up in India raised as a Hindu?

 

[GodsVoice]

What do you think your voice would be telling you if you grew up in India raised as a Hindu?

It makes no difference what the body is named or what part of the world it is birthed into. Many of the believers I met who listened to His voice ( the Gospel ) that I preached to them came from India, Pakistan, Iran, Africa, China, Japan, Norway, Sweden, England, Holland, Spain, Israel, Mexico, South America, who grew up in different religions and cultures. Several believers called themselves atheists but they loved hearing the Truth.

 

[JustWondering]

It makes no difference what the body is named or what part of the world it is birthed into. Many of the believers I met who listened to His voice ( the Gospel ) that I preached to them came from India, Pakistan, Iran, Africa, China, Japan, Norway, Sweden, England, Holland, Spain, Israel, Mexico, South America, who grew up in different religions and cultures. Several believers called themselves atheists but they loved hearing the Truth.

Why didn't you answer my question? What would your voice be telling you if YOU grew up in India raised as a Hindu? Studying Hindu texts. I think your voice would be telling you to follow Hinduism.

 

[GodsVoice]

Why didn't you answer my question? What would your voice be telling you if YOU grew up in India raised as a Hindu? Studying Hindu texts. I think your voice would be telling you to follow Hinduism.

I was an atheist who was drinking myself to death when I first heard the voice of the Lord speak these words, "I AM YOUR CREATOR". Ever since then, I've been obeying all His commandments.