WHO IS GOD'S TRUE ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

[3rdAngel]

And the bible says that you can have an after death baptism and be saved (1Cor 15:29).
And the bible says that unbelievers are saved anyway since they don't sin (1Tim 4:9-11).

It is clear from our discussions that you do not know God or His Word and are continuing to twist scripture out of context in order to apply meanings to it that is not supported in the bible. The context once again disagrees with you. 1 Corinthians 15:1:58 is talking about the resurrection of the dead in Christ who have faith in His Word. It is not talking about being baptized after you die. Baptism according to the scriptures is a symbol to walking in newness of life to be free from sin and unbelief (see Romans 6:1-23). The bible teaches no where that you can be saved in your sins and unbelief (see John 3:36). 1 Timothy 4:9-11 is talking about all men can be saved because the gospel is open to all man if they choose to believe and obey what Gods Word says. Gods conditions of salvation and receiving His promises is conditional to us believing and obeying what HIs Word says.

 

[Monty]

Yet these are your words that disagree with Gods Word. So please forgive me if I do not believe you because it is written in the scriptures, Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law. According to the scriptures if you continue in your unbelief and sin you will perish in them..

Are you a god and is it "your word" you are referring to?
If not, then why did Cainan's god protect him from retribution after he murdered his brother (Gen 4:15-16)?
And similarly for Noah's father when he committed murder (Gen 4:23-24)?
And why didn't Abraham's god and Noah's god condemn them for having sex with their sisters?

Or don't you believe what the bible actually says and means?

 

[Monty]

It is clear from our discussions that you do not know God or His Word. The context once again disagrees with you. 1 Corinthians 15:1:58 is talking about the resurrection not being baptized after you die. Baptism is a symbol to walking in newness of life to be free from sin and unbelief. The bible teaches no where that you can be saved in your sins and unbelief. 1 Timothy 4:9-11 is talking about all men can be saved because the gospel is open to all man. Gods conditions of salvation and receiving His promises however is faith which is means to believe and obey what His Word says.

Nonsense. 1Cor 15:29 clearly says that the dead can be baptized, and 1Tim 4:9-11 clearly says that unbelievers are saved.
Or are you claiming that Moses & Noah & Abraham etc were never saved since they were unbelievers and did not believe in Jesus?

 

[3rdAngel]

Are you a god and is it "your word" you are referring to?
If not, then why did Cainan's god protect him from retribution after he murdered his brother (Gen 4:15-16)?
And similarly for Noah's father when he committed murder (Gen 4:23-24)?
And why didn't Abraham's god and Noah's god condemn them for having sex with their sisters?

Or don't you believe what the bible actually says and means?

According to the scriptures, we cannot know God if we choose not to believe and obey His Word. Why do you continue to ask the same questions over and over then when you get a detailed response from the scriptures then simply choose to ignore what was written and answered to you from the scriptures? Are you now asking your questions because you want to now give your life to God and repent of your sins and unbelief in His Word or because you want to close your eyes and continue in your sins and unbelief?

 

[3rdAngel]

Nonsense. 1Cor 15:29 clearly says that the dead can be baptized, and 1Tim 4:9-11 clearly says that unbelievers are saved.
Or are you claiming that Moses & Noah & Abraham etc were never saved since they were unbelievers and did not believe in Jesus?

You cannot know God and His Word if you continue in your sins and unbelief because it us written in the scriptures "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, said the LORD.For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." That is why you do not know God and His Word. It is hidden from you because choose to close your eyes and ears to hearing and seeing. There is nothing clear to those who close their eyes and ears in order to continue in their sins and unbelief. Only confusion and death await all those who walk that path according to Jesus in Matthew 7:13-23

 

[Monty]

According to the scriptures, we cannot know God if we choose not to believe and obey His Word. Why do you continue to ask the same questions over and over then when you get a detailed response from the scriptures then simply choose to ignore what was written and answered to you from the scriptures? Are you now asking your questions because you want to now give your life to God and repent of your sins and unbelief in His Word or because you want to close your eyes and continue in your sins and unbelief?

Just imaginative words in a book.

 

[Monty]

You cannot know God and His Word if you continue in your sins and unbelief because it us written in the scriptures "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, said the LORD.For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." That is why you do not know God and His Word. It is hidden from you because choose to close your eyes and ears to hearing and seeing. There is nothing clear to those who close their eyes and ears in order to continue in their sins and unbelief. Only confusion and death await all those who walk that path according to Jesus in Matthew 7:13-23

IOW Moses & Noah & Abraham etc never went to heaven since they didn't believe in Jesus.

 

[3rdAngel]

IOW Moses & Noah & Abraham etc never went to heaven since they didn't believe in Jesus.

Well if you understood the scriptures you would know the answer to your statement. Seems though you do not.

 

[3rdAngel]

Just imaginative words in a book.

Sadly, for someone caught in unbelief and sin this is what they believe and are hoping. Imagine how they are going to feel if they find out one day all too late that they were wrong all this time then they finally realize it is forever too late to repent of their sins and return to God and are just about to receive His judgements?

 

[Monty]

Well if you understood the scriptures you would know the answer to your statement. Seems though you do not.

Just words in a book.
Why don't you ask your god next time you meet why Moses & Noah & Abraham etc didn't go to heaven?

 

[Monty]

For someone caught in unbelief and sin this is what they believe and are hoping. Imagine how you are going to feel if you find out one day all this time you were wrong but now it is forever too late?

Then ask your god to drop around for a beer and a chat next time you share a meal together.

 

[Elihoenai]

Jeremiah 31:31-33

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


In the New Covenant the Law of Elohim/God is Written on the Heart. The Law of Elohim/God can Only Be Written on the Heart if it is Practiced with Total Unfettered Devotion. The Law of Elohim/God Is the Law of Moses.

 

[3rdAngel]

Just words in a book.
Why don't you ask your god next time you meet why Moses & Noah & Abraham etc didn't go to heaven?

Its ok dear friend. I will leave your unbelief between you and God to work out. I hope you can reconcile your differences.

 

[3rdAngel]

Jeremiah 31:31-33

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


In the New Covenant the Law of Elohim/God is Written on the Heart. The Law of Elohim/God can Only Be Written on the Heart if it is Practiced with Total Unfettered Devotion. The Law of Elohim/God Is the Law of Moses.

Finally, someone wanting to discuss he OP and is not trolling.... Thanks. Great scripture for this OP! Is the old covenant laws of Moses including circumcision and animal sacrifices and sin offerings written in the heart or is it Gods law spoken and written with the finger of God from Exodus 20:1-17?

 

[Elihoenai]

Finally, someone wanting to discuss he OP and is not trolling.... Thanks. Great scripture for this OP! Is the old covenant laws of Moses including circumcision and animal sacrifices and sin offerings written in the heart or is it Gods law spoken and written with the finger of God from Exodus 20:1-17?

Romans 7:14

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.


That is Critical and Profound question. In Christendom, Circumcision, Animal Sacrifice and Sin Offerings are Rejected by 2.2 Billion Christians. All the Laws of Moses are Required for Salvation. The Ten Commandments are not Separate from Circumcision, Animal Sacrifice and Sin Offerings. In Christian Gnosticism the Law is Spiritual.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

There is nothing in teh New Covenant Jeremiah speaks of that changes who the People of Israel are.

 

[Monty]

Finally, someone wanting to discuss he OP and is not trolling.... Thanks. Great scripture for this OP! Is the old covenant laws of Moses including circumcision and animal sacrifices and sin offerings written in the heart or is it Gods law spoken and written with the finger of God from Exodus 20:1-17?

But why didn't those laws apply to Abraham & Noah's father & Cain-an too if they were spoken and written with a god's finger?

 

[Bthoth]

But why didn't those laws apply to Abraham & Noah's father & Cain?

Because the guy that brought the commandments from mt sinai was not born when them folk were said to be alive.

Technically the stories of adam and eve, cain and abel, then abraham were said to be written by moses too.

There is no records of any of them folk before torah. Funny circle of make believe.

 

[Elihoenai]

There is nothing in teh New Covenant Jeremiah speaks of that changes who the People of Israel are.

Malachi 3:6

6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


Certainly True that the New Covenant Jeremiah speaks of does Not Change who the People of Israel are. Elohim/God does Not Change. What Elohim/God determined the Identity of Israel Stands Forever.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Malachi 3:6

6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


Certainly True that the New Covenant Jeremiah speaks of does Not Change who the People of Israel are. Elohim/God does Not Change. What Elohim/God determined the Identity of Israel Stands Forever.

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