Who is Satan? Or what does Satan represent to you?

[EtuMalku]

Satan / Ravan are the five vices which are responsible for the degradation and sorrow of mankind.
They are Lust , anger , greed , attachment and ego. All the evils originate from these 5 vices.
In most religions Satan is symbolized as a serpent , like the serpent which allures Adam and eve to eat the forbidden fruit .
In Hinduism a snake bites the gods and turns them black , a snake is also found around Shiv's neck probably representing that he tames those evils.

Of course there is always more than one way something can be perceived and I will describe Satan and the Serpent from a Western LHP direction. Ravana from what I read is a mythical Hindu demon that acts as an antagonist to Man, Satan is not considered an antagonist but rather, as His name reveals, an Adversary.

Satanists and Luciferians see the character of Satan as an archetype of pride, carnality, liberty, enlightenment, wisdom, and as a dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature providing the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things.
As an archetypal structure, Satan is the reflection of how we perceive ourselves in relation to what we call the "others". Satan is a social and cultural phenomenon as old as the mind of humanity itself. There has always and will always, be essentially two worldviews consisting of oppositions and they are "Us & Them" or "Me" and "the rest of you" . . . etc.

The Serpent represents the the feminine spiritual principle, a divine force of creation that is able to carry out the idea of creation, awakening the power of creation and the sexual energy in man. Thus, man can reach the knowledge enabling him to become a god.

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> perhaps those what youve called
the "others" is very diffirent from what weve know before.

... . as the ancient describe it as
the lights of the unknown
until some where interpreted it as the luminaries of the sky . ...

by the way
as they say everyone is entitled unto its opinion if we may say so


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godbless
unto all always

Of course there is always more than one way something can be perceived and I will describe Satan and the Serpent from a Western LHP direction. Ravana from what I read is a mythical Hindu demon that acts as an antagonist to Man, Satan is not considered an antagonist but rather, as His name reveals, an Adversary.

Satanists and Luciferians see the character of Satan as an archetype of pride, carnality, liberty, enlightenment, wisdom, and as a dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature providing the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things.
As an archetypal structure, Satan is the reflection of how we perceive ourselves in relation to what we call the "others". Satan is a social and cultural phenomenon as old as the mind of humanity itself. There has always and will always, be essentially two worldviews consisting of oppositions and they are "Us & Them" or "Me" and "the rest of you" . . . etc.

The Serpent represents the the feminine spiritual principle, a divine force of creation that is able to carry out the idea of creation, awakening the power of creation and the sexual energy in man. Thus, man can reach the knowledge enabling him to become a god.

 

[Tabu]

Of course there is always more than one way something can be perceived and I will describe Satan and the Serpent from a Western LHP direction. Ravana from what I read is a mythical Hindu demon that acts as an antagonist to Man, Satan is not considered an antagonist but rather, as His name reveals, an Adversary.

Satanists and Luciferians see the character of Satan as an archetype of pride, carnality, liberty, enlightenment, wisdom, and as a dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature providing the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things.
As an archetypal structure, Satan is the reflection of how we perceive ourselves in relation to what we call the "others". Satan is a social and cultural phenomenon as old as the mind of humanity itself. There has always and will always, be essentially two worldviews consisting of oppositions and they are "Us & Them" or "Me" and "the rest of you" . . . etc.

The Serpent represents the the feminine spiritual principle, a divine force of creation that is able to carry out the idea of creation, awakening the power of creation and the sexual energy in man. Thus, man can reach the knowledge enabling him to become a god.

I don't get the difference between an 'antagonist' and an 'adversary'.
Most of the qualities you describe for Satan are different manifestations of ego , which put us in a race to compete and excel each other.
There are many incidents where the 'Me' has a realization and joins 'the rest of you' , again what would prevent is ego.
Satan cannot represent enlightenment or wisdom , if it was so the nations who followed Satan would be greeting each other with bouquets , not pointing missiles at each others.
So the serpent represents ' lust' , we have awakened this power and have taken it to its epitome but haven't become god yet , but rather we have become more of devils.

 

[EtuMalku]

I don't get the difference between an 'antagonist' and an 'adversary'.
Most of the qualities you describe for Satan are different manifestations of ego , which put us in a race to compete and excel each other.
There are many incidents where the 'Me' has a realization and joins 'the rest of you' , again what would prevent is ego.
Satan cannot represent enlightenment or wisdom , if it was so the nations who followed Satan would be greeting each other with bouquets , not pointing missiles at each others.
So the serpent represents ' lust' , we have awakened this power and have taken it to its epitome but haven't become god yet , but rather we have become more of devils.

An Antagonist is a person who is actively opposed or hostile to someone or something . . . an enemy
An Adversary is a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity . . . a rival

The very word 'satan' comes from the Hebrew 'ha satan' (the adversary) and meant anything that was adverse to you, satan did not become Satan until much later when Jewish tribes particularly the Essenes began referring to anyone who was not an Essene as ha satan. Still further on, the Roman Christian Church decided it was time to personify "the adversary" into Satan (complete with horns, tail, colored red, and all that jazz) and have him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.

The Adversary is a trans‑cultural archetype which existed long before Christianity began in the form of Set, Samael, Ahriman, Loki, and the feminine aspect being Lilith, to name but a few. Psychologically speaking, the Adversary is our Shadow Self, that which opposes and challenges you, when confronted by it, one either becomes consumed by it or one becomes stronger because of it.

Satan cannot represent enlightenment or wisdom , if it was so the nations who followed Satan would be greeting each other with bouquets , not pointing missiles at each others.

This is an interesting quote from you . . . which nations follow Satan?

 

[psychoslice]

Satan to me is just an escape goat, something we can blame everything on, or an use as an exscuse.

 

[VioletVortex]

Satan is the main force of nature. Satan is a means achieving values such as freedom, strength, rebellion, intelligence, and wisdom. Satan is also the spiritual embodiment of those values.

I also believe that Satan exists as both a force of nature and an intelligent being. I believe that Satan triggered the creation of the universe.

 

[1137]

You seem to be conflating 'opposing god', with Satan. Satan is nowhere near a 'god'. That is traditionally, probably an extremely fringe belief, so I don't know why you are comparing it to ''deities'', in general. The 'god' satan thing has probably grown in popularity? not sure, but it isn't what the word means, even in a very broad sense. So, the ''opposing god'', thing, just isn't applicable

Why do you say Satan is not a god?

Our Black Flame? What is that?

Yes, Iblees is indeed one of the names of the Prince of Darkness (who is for me an actual, real entity rather than simply an archetype).

The black flame is like the individual psyche, the Ba of Egypt.

Because that is what I believe. I believe that the christians gave Lucifer the name Satan. I have gotten into arguments with christians before that they have gotten pissed when I call him by his real name "Lucifer". Christians hate it.

So you're basing this off the fact that you choose to believe it and it makes Christians mad?

I have heard that Baphomet is Pagan.

Baphomet was a perversion of "Mohammed" by crusaders fighting in Islamic territory. It was then used in BS allegations against the Templars. Eliphas Levi created the now famous image as "a sphinx of occult sciences".

 

[Tabu]

An Antagonist is a person who is actively opposed or hostile to someone or something . . . an enemy
An Adversary is a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity . . . a rival

The very word 'satan' comes from the Hebrew 'ha satan' (the adversary) and meant anything that was adverse to you, satan did not become Satan until much later when Jewish tribes particularly the Essenes began referring to anyone who was not an Essene as ha satan. Still further on, the Roman Christian Church decided it was time to personify "the adversary" into Satan (complete with horns, tail, colored red, and all that jazz) and have him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.

The Adversary is a trans‑cultural archetype which existed long before Christianity began in the form of Set, Samael, Ahriman, Loki, and the feminine aspect being Lilith, to name but a few. Psychologically speaking, the Adversary is our Shadow Self, that which opposes and challenges you, when confronted by it, one either becomes consumed by it or one becomes stronger because of it.

This is an interesting quote from you . . . which nations follow Satan?

Thanks for the clarification , I will look into that.
So Satan is the frictional force which opposes but at the same time is required for motion.
And what are the qualities which make the Shadow self . What if light falls on this self.
I mean all the nations and people who are hostile to one another are following Satan in one way or other.

 

[EtuMalku]

Thanks for the clarification , I will look into that.
So Satan is the frictional force which opposes but at the same time is required for motion.
And what are the qualities which make the Shadow self . What if light falls on this self.
I mean all the nations and people who are hostile to one another are following Satan in one way or other.

How would you define 'Shadow Self '? What do you mean by 'light'?

Correct me if I'm wrong but today's most hostile nations are predominantly Abrahamic

 

[Tabu]

How would you define 'Shadow Self '? What do you mean by 'light'?

Correct me if I'm wrong but today's most hostile nations are predominantly Abrahamic

Shadow self are the weakness of the self , which I mentioned previously are , lust , anger , greed , attachments and ego .
Light is the knowledge of understanding these weaknesses and the havoc they cause on mankind and overpowering them.
Yes , true followers of Abrahamic religions are the most hostile now , probably because they haven't understood who Satan actually is.

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> as they say
(For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow
Shall not they teach you, and tell you, and utter words out of their heart?
Can the rush grow up without mire? can the flag grow without water?
Whilst it is yet in his greenness, and not cut down, it withers before any other herb.


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godbless
unto all always

 

[EtuMalku]

Shadow self are the weakness of the self , which I mentioned previously are , lust , anger , greed , attachments and ego .
Light is the knowledge of understanding these weaknesses and the havoc they cause on mankind and overpowering them.
Yes , true followers of Abrahamic religions are the most hostile now , probably because they haven't understood who Satan actually is.

And who is actually Satan?
I don't find your Shadows to be weaknesses but rather opportunities.
To me Light is Gnosis so maybe we are in agreement on this

 

[Tabu]

And who is actually Satan?
I don't find your Shadows to be weaknesses but rather opportunities.
To me Light is Gnosis so maybe we are in agreement on this

Satan is the Shadow / Hollow self .
Yes , these vices are great opportunities for the growth and spread of evils - pain ,sorrow , hatred, peacelessness ...
In what ways Gnosis provided light in your life , how do you define and experience Gnosis ?because each had his own definition and experiences.

 

[EtuMalku]

Satan is the Shadow / Hollow self .
Yes , these vices are great opportunities for the growth and spread of evils - pain ,sorrow , hatred, peacelessness ...
In what ways Gnosis provided light in your life , how do you define and experience Gnosis ?because each had his own definition and experiences.

Obviously you are free to define Satan as you understand it/him, but this is not the Satan/ism that any of us on the Western LHP know.
As for these 'alleged' vices, what you do with them determines the depth of their usefulness.
I define Gnosis as an intuitive process of knowing oneself in relative comparison to a subject matter . . . sort of a Spiritual Insight to something that is hidden due to objective reality's illusions of duality.

 

[Desert Snake]

Why do you say Satan is not a god?

He isn't a god in my beliefs, and there is no indication that he is supposed to be considered a god.
I guess that it's subjective, he may be a god to you, yet outside of that personal subjectivity, not a god

 

[EtuMalku]

He isn't a god in my beliefs, and there is no indication that he is supposed to be considered a god.
I guess that it's subjective, he may be a god to you, yet outside of that personal subjectivity, not a god

I'm not speaking for 1137 . . . I don't know what your beliefs are but to many from Theistic Satanists to Gnostics, to several Western LHP organizations, Satan is indeed one of the gods. I assume you are limiting your experience to the Abrahamic thought which dictates Satan to a subservience of Yahweh? If so, that only works inside the Abrahamic box, there are plenty of faiths / beliefs which do not follow that train of thought.

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm not speaking for 1137 . . . I don't know what your beliefs are but to many from Theistic Satanists to Gnostics, to several Western LHP organizations, Satan is indeed one of the gods. I assume you are limiting your experience to the Abrahamic thought which dictates Satan to a subservience of Yahweh? If so, that only works inside the Abrahamic box, there are plenty of faiths / beliefs which do not follow that train of thought.

There are personal 'gods', like what you are describing. /We differ in that regard //have different 'gods'.
There are traditional 'gods', //also subjective,, to belief. Such as Thor, Zeus, so forth.

'Satan', is not traditionally a 'god'. Satan is in the category of ''subjective god''/some people consider him a god, yet isn't traditionally, considered a 'god'.

Therefore, since I do not consider Satan a god, and he is not traditionally considered a god, i have no reason to call him a god, even in a descriptive sense, //such as i might write ''the god Zeus'',

You may have reason to call/, or consider him a god, i don't.

 

[EtuMalku]

There are personal 'gods', like what you are describing. /We differ in that regard //have different 'gods'.
There are traditional 'gods', //also subjective,, to belief. Such as Thor, Zeus, so forth.

'Satan', is not traditionally a 'god'. Satan is in the category of ''subjective god''/some people consider him a god, yet isn't traditionally, considered a 'god'.

Therefore, since I do not consider Satan a god, and he is not traditionally considered a god, i have no reason to call him a god, even in a descriptive sense, //such as i might write ''the god Zeus'',

You may have reason to call/, or consider him a god, i don't.

That is your prerogative, Satan is the Adversary a trans‑cultural archetype which began in the form of Set, Samael, Ahriman, and Loki, to name but a few long before the Abrahamic faiths adopted Him as their Scapegoat.

 

[Desert Snake]

That is your prerogative, Satan is the Adversary a trans‑cultural archetype which began in the form of Set, Samael, Ahriman, and Loki, to name but a few long before the Abrahamic faiths adopted Him as their Scapegoat.

You're really just trying to find a connection between 'satan', and this mythical ''archetype', huh? Set was considered a deity, satan isn't a deity, the characters are different, etc.

 

[EtuMalku]

You're really just trying to find a connection between 'satan', and this mythical ''archetype', huh? Set was considered a deity, satan isn't a deity, the characters are different, etc.

No, I'm pointing out that Satan is one of many archetypes of the Adversary, you can choose to label these archetypes anything you deem appropriate . . . they're just labels.