Trailblazer
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I appreciate that different perspective and I would be interested in hearing more about this maybe tomorrow, since I am logging off now.
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Who is the Baha’i Jesus and how does He differ from the Christian Jesus?
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firedragon
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The pleasure is all mine sis.
Trailblazer
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Thanks, over and out.
It is midnight here and my poor husband is still waiting to eat dinner.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Do we have a man of God mentioned in the Bible who was a pedophile?
From Adam to apostle John - nobody was a child molester.
I believe what Muhammad did is water under the bridge.
Everybody knows the truth about this.
Muslim acknowledge this is a fact.
When you are used to spoiled food
Everything taste like chicken.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Give it up for lost.
You are not going to HELP Christianity by trying to demote Muhammad and call Him a child molester.
Christianity is dying a slow death and soon it will be deader than a door-nail, as Islam overtakes it.
And neither was Muhammad.
Oh do they?
Let's hear from some Muslims who believe that Muhammad was a pedophile.
Your trying to take down Muhammad is a pattern that has been repeated throughout religious history. It happens every time a new Messenger of God appears:
“From the beginning of the world until the present time each ‘Manifestation’ 1 sent from God has been opposed by an embodiment of the ‘Powers of Darkness’.
This dark power has always endeavoured to extinguish the light. Tyranny has ever sought to overcome justice. Ignorance has persistently tried to trample knowledge underfoot. This has, from the earliest ages, been the method of the material world.
In the time of Moses, Pharaoh set himself to prevent the Mosaic Light being spread abroad.
In the day of Christ, Annas and Caiaphas inflamed the Jewish people against Him and the learned doctors of Israel joined together to resist His Power. All sorts of calumnies were circulated against Him. The Scribes and Pharisees conspired to make the people believe Him to be a liar, an apostate, and a blasphemer. They spread these slanders throughout the whole Eastern world against Christ, and caused Him to be condemned to a shameful death!
In the case of Muhammad also, the learned doctors of His day determined to extinguish the light of His influence. They tried by the power of the sword to prevent the spread of His teaching.
In spite of all their efforts the Sun of Truth shone forth from the horizon. In every case the army of light vanquished the powers of darkness on the battlefield of the world, and the radiance of the Divine Teaching illumined the earth. Those who accepted the Teaching and worked for the Cause of God became luminous stars in the sky of humanity.
Those who would have men believe that religion is their own private property once more bring their efforts to bear against the Sun of Truth: they resist the Command of God; they invent calumnies, not having arguments against it, neither proofs. They attack with masked faces, not daring to come forth into the light of day.
No one casts stones at a tree without fruit. No one tries to extinguish a lamp without light!
Regard the former times. Had the calumnies of Pharaoh any effect? He affirmed that Moses was a murderer, that he had slain a man and deserved to be executed! He also declared that Moses and Aaron were fomenters of discord, that they tried to destroy the religion of Egypt and therefore must be put to death. These words of Pharaoh were vainly spoken. The light of Moses shone. The radiance of the Law of God has encircled the world!
When the Pharisees said of Christ that He had broken the Sabbath Day, that He had defied the Law of Moses, that He had threatened to destroy the Temple and the Holy City of Jerusalem, and that He deserved to be crucified—We know that all these slanderous attacks had no result in hindering the spread of the Gospel!
The Sun of Christ shone brilliantly in the sky, and the breath of the Holy Spirit wafted over the whole earth!
And I say unto you that no calumny is able to prevail against the Light of God; it can only result in causing it to be more universally recognized. If a cause were of no significance, who would take the trouble to work against it!.”
Abdul-Baha, Paris Talks
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Pedophilia in the Qur'an
Main Article: Pedophilia in the Qur'an
The Qur'an permits pedophilia. The following Qur'anic verse allows sex with pre-pubescent girls who have not yet menstruated.
And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.
Quran 65:4
This verse is in reference to Iddat (العدة), which is a waiting period a female must observe before she can remarry. According to this verse, the stipulated waiting period for a divorced girl who has not yet menstruated is three months.
Islam and Pedophilia - WikiIslam
Muslim Statistics on Pedophilia
Main Article: Muslim Statistics (Children)
This page consists of various statistics concerning Islam and children. A small sample include:
- 4 out of 5 Middle-Eastern women are sexually abused between the ages of 3 and 6 by family members.
- More than half of all Yemeni girls are married before reaching the age of puberty.
- With more than 3,900 children within 6 months, Indonesia tops the UN bodies list for child trafficking cases
- 2,000 child sex abuse claims in 1 year at Pakistani Islamic schools, but not even 1 successful prosecution
I don't need to demote Muhammad was a child molester.
Because he was already one, already historically engraved in stone. [pbuh?]
More of a ....
Christianity or Islam or Baha'i Faith or....
It is not really that important.
Which Christianity would that be by the way? Catholics? Protestants?
The most important thing is if the bus you are riding in would reach heaven on Judgement Day.
And the hallmarks of a religion that would reach heaven was mentioned by Jesus Christ.
Matthew 7:13-14 New International Version (NIV)
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The Way to get to heaven was Jesus Christ during the Dispensation of Jesus Christ, but we are no longer living in that Dispensation, so what is in the Bible about how to get to heaven does not apply to this age, according to my beliefs.
Baha’is do not believe that heaven is a geographical location, but a Baha’i once asked the Guardian of the Baha’i Faith (Shoghi Effendi) how to get to heaven, and here was his answer...
"To 'get to heaven' as you say is dependent on two things--faith in the Manifestation of God in His Day, in other words in this age in Bahá'u'lláh; and good deeds, in other words living to the best of our ability a noble life and doing unto others as we would be done by. But we must always remember that our existence and everything we have or ever will have is dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty, and therefore He can accept into His heaven, which is really nearness to Him, even the lowliest if He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, January 12, 1957)
Lights of Guidance (second part): A Bahá'í Reference File
The narrow gate was Christianity thousands of years ago when Jesus uttered those words, because few had found it Jesus, but Christianity is no longer the narrow gate because Christians are not few anymore.
Christianity is the world's most practiced religion in 2019, and experts estimate that it will remain as the largest religion in the world for many years to come. Mar 21, 2020
Largest Religions in the World (2020) - Swedish Nomad
Largest Religions in the World (2020) - Swedish Nomad
Whenever a new Messenger of God appears, He is the narrow gate by which we can attain eternal life.
In every new age, the religion at the narrow gate is the new religion God wants us to find and follow, because it has the message and the teachings and laws that are pertinent to the present age.
In this new age, the narrow gate is the Baha’i Faith and it is narrow because only a few people recognize God’s new religion in the beginning. That is why the Baha’i Faith is still relatively small.
“The Book of God is wide open, and His Word is summoning mankind unto Him. No more than a mere handful, however, hath been found willing to cleave to His Cause, or to become the instruments for its promotion. These few have been endued with the Divine Elixir that can, alone, transmute into purest gold the dross of the world, and have been empowered to administer the infallible remedy for all the ills that afflict the children of men. No man can obtain everlasting life, unless he embraceth the truth of this inestimable, this wondrous, and sublime Revelation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 183
The new religion is the gate that leads to eternal life. But it is not that easy for most people to find this gate because most people are steeped in religious tradition or attached to what they already believe. If they do not have a religion, most people are suspicious of the new religion and the new messenger. If they are atheists they do not like the idea of messengers of God or they think they are all phonies.
Jesus told us to enter through the narrow gate, the gate that leads to eternal life, and He said few people would find that gate... It is narrow, so it is difficult to get through... It is difficult to get through because one has to be willing to give up all their preconceived ideas, have an open mind, and think for themselves. Most people do not normally embark upon such a journey. They go through the wide gate, the easy one to get through – their own religious tradition or their own preconceived ideas about God or no god. They follow that broad road that is easiest for them to travel. That is human nature.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
I don't know why the new religion would insert Islam.
For what I know, they have a Islam Wiki which flatly acknowledges Muhammad was a pedophile [child rapist].
Pedophilia in the Qur'an
From WikiIslam, the online resource on Islam
Prophet Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and had sexual intercourse with her while she still remained pre-pubescent at the age of nine lunar years. This fact has been recorded many times in Sahih ahadith. This article will discuss the Qur'anic verse that allows Paedophilia.
Pedophilia in the Qur'an - WikiIslam
I believe it is not good to be a naysayer when the evidence confirming the sins of Muhammad appears on their very own materials.
Prophet Muhammad
- The Timeline of Muhammad
- List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad
- The Farewell Sermon
- Muhammad and History's 100 Most Influential People
- List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines
- Ages of Muhammad's Wives at Marriage
- Aisha's Age of Consummation
- Muhammad's Marriages and Poor Widows
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Without Islam being a legitimate religion and Muhammad a "manifestation" of God, I don't see how there could be a Baha'i Faith. There is no way they will ever deny Muhammad and Islam. How they explain all the things you bring up is going to be very, very interesting.I don't know why the new religion would insert Islam.
For what I know, they have a Islam Wiki which flatly acknowledges Muhammad was a pedophile [child rapist].
Pedophilia in the Qur'an
From WikiIslam, the online resource on Islam
Prophet Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and had sexual intercourse with her while she still remained pre-pubescent at the age of nine lunar years. This fact has been recorded many times in Sahih ahadith. This article will discuss the Qur'anic verse that allows Paedophilia.
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Pedophilia in the Qur'an - WikiIslam
I believe it is not good to be a naysayer when the evidence confirming the sins of Muhammad appears on their very own materials.
Prophet Muhammad
Muhammad's Wives
- The Timeline of Muhammad
- List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad
- The Farewell Sermon
- Muhammad and History's 100 Most Influential People
- List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines
- Ages of Muhammad's Wives at Marriage
- Aisha's Age of Consummation
- Muhammad's Marriages and Poor Widows
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Without all the Manifestations of God, there would not be a Baha'i Faith.
Bahais do not have to explain all the calumny that Christians hurl at Muhammad, that is not our job.
Islam is not our religion. It is the Muslims who should be responding to this calumny; but why would Muslims be worried bout ll this calumny? They know who Muhammad was.
Without Islam being a legitimate religion and Muhammad a "manifestation" of God, there would not be an Islam.
But since there is Islam and it is almost as large as Christianity, it is drop dead obvious that Muhammad was a Messenger of God. It is just too bad that Christians cannot take the competition, but it is here to stay.
Christians can easily brush aside the Baha'i Faith because it is still so small, but there is no way in hell that Christians are going to get rid of Islam. It is comical watching them try though, comical and pathetic.
It is obvious why Christians try to go after Islam and Hinduism, they are its main competition:
Adherents in 2020
Religion Adherents Percentage
Christianity 2.3 billion 29%
Islam 1.9 billion 24%
Hinduism 1.2 billion 15.4%
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.1 billion 14.1%
List of religious populations - Wikipedia
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The Baha'i Faith did not insert Islam. God inserted Islam, since God revealed Himself to Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel.
And Christians cannot UN-insert Islam just because they don't like the competition.
Good luck trying though.
“Those who would have men believe that religion is their own private property once more bring their efforts to bear against the Sun of Truth: they resist the Command of God; they invent calumnies, not having arguments against it, neither proofs. They attack with masked faces, not daring to come forth into the light of day.
No one casts stones at a tree without fruit. No one tries to extinguish a lamp without light!
And I say unto you that no calumny is able to prevail against the Light of God; it can only result in causing it to be more universally recognized. If a cause were of no significance, who would take the trouble to work against it!”
Abdul-Baha, Paris Talks
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MJFlores
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MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Competition to what?
That does not change that Muhammad is
No wonder the teachings are hellish also
Islamic Persecution
Jihad and Terrorism
Women
- Revelation of the Hijab
- Health Effects of Islamic Dress
- Wife Beating in Islam
- Rape in Islam
- 72 Virgins
- Purpose of the Mahr
- The Meaning of Nikah
firedragon
Veteran Member
Competition to what?
That does not change that Muhammad is
No wonder the teachings are hellish also
Islamic Persecution
Jihad and Terrorism
Women
WikiIslam
- Revelation of the Hijab
- Health Effects of Islamic Dress
- Wife Beating in Islam
- Rape in Islam
- 72 Virgins
- Purpose of the Mahr
- The Meaning of Nikah
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I think what you need is the same kind of response. Tit for tat?? This is a useless game but here it is mate. Lets play this gutter game occasionally.
Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17)
Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abomile deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)
Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 )
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 )
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 )
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 )
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 )
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 )
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 )
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 )
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Lots of old testament verses there.
Maybe I would react if I were a Jew or something.
But for general information about the old testament bible, like the ones you quoted, to whom did these laws and regulations are applicable to? Is it applicable to me?
Exodus 25:22 New International Version (NIV)
There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the covenant law, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.
Israelite, descendant of the Hebrew patriarch Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel after an all-night fight at Penuel near the stream of Jabbok (Genesis 32:28). In early history, Israelites were simply members of the 12 tribes of Israel. After 930 BCE and the establishment of two independent Hebrew kingdoms in Palestine, the 10 northern tribes constituting the kingdom of Israel were known as Israelites to distinguish them from the southern kingdom of Judah. The northern kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians in 721 BCE, and its population was eventually absorbed by other peoples.
Israelite | people
It is like you saying "All Israelites kill witches and gays."
And my reaction would be....
firedragon
Veteran Member
Lots of old testament verses there.
Maybe I would react if I were a Jew or something.
But for general information about the old testament bible, like the ones you quoted, to whom did these laws and regulations are applicable to? Is it applicable to me?
Exodus 25:22 New International Version (NIV)
There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the covenant law, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.
Israelite, descendant of the Hebrew patriarch Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel after an all-night fight at Penuel near the stream of Jabbok (Genesis 32:28). In early history, Israelites were simply members of the 12 tribes of Israel. After 930 BCE and the establishment of two independent Hebrew kingdoms in Palestine, the 10 northern tribes constituting the kingdom of Israel were known as Israelites to distinguish them from the southern kingdom of Judah. The northern kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians in 721 BCE, and its population was eventually absorbed by other peoples.
Israelite | people
It is like you saying "All Israelites kill witches and gays."
And my reaction would be....
More, gutter game of cut and pastes. Here you go. Same as you.
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die.(Leviticus 24:10-16 )
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 )
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 )
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 )
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 )
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 )
firedragon
Veteran Member
Lots of old testament verses there.
Maybe I would react if I were a Jew or something.
But for general information about the old testament bible, like the ones you quoted, to whom did these laws and regulations are applicable to? Is it applicable to me?
Exodus 25:22 New International Version (NIV)
There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the covenant law, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.
Israelite, descendant of the Hebrew patriarch Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel after an all-night fight at Penuel near the stream of Jabbok (Genesis 32:28). In early history, Israelites were simply members of the 12 tribes of Israel. After 930 BCE and the establishment of two independent Hebrew kingdoms in Palestine, the 10 northern tribes constituting the kingdom of Israel were known as Israelites to distinguish them from the southern kingdom of Judah. The northern kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians in 721 BCE, and its population was eventually absorbed by other peoples.
Israelite | people
It is like you saying "All Israelites kill witches and gays."
And my reaction would be....
So are you saying Jesus is not God who was there from the beginning? Are you contradicting your own theology for convenience?
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Those rules you have mentioned are for the ISRAELITES.
I am not an Israelite.
I do not have any Hebrew blood in my body.
I am not even middle-eastern in any way and I don't observe the Sabbath Day because I am not an Israelite.
My Jesus Christ is from the Bible.
My Lord Jesus Christ is a MAN
Since Jesus declared that he is a MAN therefore he cannot and will not be God.
And that is in the Bible.
What did God say about what is a man and what is God?
Ezekiel 28:1-2 New King James Version (NKJV)
The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, “Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord God:
“Because your heart is lifted up,
And you say, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods,
In the midst of the seas,’
Yet you are a man, and not a god,
Though you set your heart as the heart of a god
Who is God according to God?
Hosea 11:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
I will not execute the fierceness of My anger;
I will not again destroy Ephraim.
For I am God, and not man,
The Holy One in your midst;
And I will not come with terror.
God said a man cannot be god and God is not a man.
To Jesus Christ who is he and who is God?
John 4:24 New King James Version (NKJV)
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
If God is spirit, is Jesus a spirit?
Luke 24:36-39 New King James Version (NKJV)
Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
According to Jesus Christ - he is not a spirit and therefore he is not God.
Where in my previous posts have I said that Jesus is god?
I worship the real Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ is a MAN.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
firedragon
Veteran Member
Jesus was there from the beginning?
Are you serious?
Nah. I don't believe that. But if you say that he was not, that's your prerogative. So your theology is that Jesus is not God.