Who is the Baha’i Jesus and how does He differ from the Christian Jesus?

[firedragon]

Those rules you have mentioned are for the ISRAELITES.
I am not an Israelite.
I do not have any Hebrew blood in my body.
I am not even middle-eastern in any way and I don't observe the Sabbath Day because I am not an Israelite.

My Jesus Christ is from the Bible.
My Lord Jesus Christ is a MAN
Since Jesus declared that he is a MAN therefore he cannot and will not be God.
And that is in the Bible.

What did God say about what is a man and what is God?

Ezekiel 28:1-2 New King James Version (NKJV)
The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, “Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“Because your heart is lifted up,
And you say, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods,
In the midst of the seas,’
Yet you are a man, and not a god,
Though you set your heart as the heart of a god

Who is God according to God?

Hosea 11:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
I will not execute the fierceness of My anger;
I will not again destroy Ephraim.
For I am God, and not man,
The Holy One in your midst;
And I will not come with terror.

God said a man cannot be god and God is not a man.

To Jesus Christ who is he and who is God?

John 4:24 New King James Version (NKJV)
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

If God is spirit, is Jesus a spirit?

Luke 24:36-39 New King James Version (NKJV)
Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

According to Jesus Christ - he is not a spirit and therefore he is not God.

Where in my previous posts have I said that Jesus is god?
I worship the real Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ is a MAN.

Yet, this is God commanding according to the Bible right? So though this is irrelevant to the thread, you were always irrelevant with your cut and pastes from wikiislam, your scholarly source which shows your source of education. So this is your God unless you don't believe it was God at all. This is the same gutter game you plaid mate.

God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:

Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 )

God Kills the Curious

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killed by a Lion

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, “Strike me!” But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me.” And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 )

Killing the Good Samaritan

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 )

Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 )

God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 )

Kill Men, Women, and Children

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 )

 

[CG Didymus]

Yet, this is God commanding according to the Bible right? So though this is irrelevant to the thread, you were always irrelevant with your cut and pastes from wikiislam, your scholarly source which shows your source of education. So this is your God unless you don't believe it was God at all. This is the same gutter game you plaid mate.

God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:

Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 )

God Kills the Curious

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killed by a Lion

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, “Strike me!” But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me.” And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 )

Killing the Good Samaritan

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 )

Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 )

God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 )

Kill Men, Women, and Children

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 )

So who cares about who the Baha'i Jesus and Christian Jesus is... Who is their God? How do either justify believing in a God like this? And this God did not seem to believe in "progressive" revelation. It doesn't sound like he was the one who sent messengers to other people.

 

[firedragon]

So who cares about who the Baha'i Jesus and Christian Jesus is... Who is their God? How do either justify believing in a God like this? And this God did not seem to believe in "progressive" revelation. It doesn't sound like he was the one who sent messengers to other people.

If you don't care, just leave it mate.

 

[Trailblazer]

Competition to what?

Competition to a flailing Christianity.

That does not change that Muhammad is....

Not what you depict Him as, but keep going, it is fun watching you make yourself look foolish.

No wonder the teachings are hellish also

Those are not the teachings of Muhammad, but keep going, it is fun watching you make yourself look foolish.

“And I say unto you that no calumny is able to prevail against the Light of God; it can only result in causing it to be more universally recognized. If a cause were of no significance, who would take the trouble to work against it!” Paris Talks, p. 106

 

[MJFlores]

Yet, this is God commanding according to the Bible right?

I believe that is off topic. Maybe it would be appropriate if a separate thread is made illustrating what this God did and how ungrateful you are that you are still alive. Here we are exploring the Jesus of the Baha'i Faith and how he differs from the Christian Jesus. Now I have responded based on the Bible, who my Jesus is - he is not God so he was not the god who you described killed men, women and children.

Competition to a flailing Christianity.

What does the word flailing?
verb. (tr) to beat or thrash with or as if with a flail. to move or be moved like a flail; thresh aboutwith arms flailing.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/flailing
Flailing | Definition of Flailing at Dictionary.com

Christianity madam is divided into denominations.
Each have its own doctrine, beliefs and system of worship.
Like the religion established by Muhammad, most of these religions were established by men also.
And like Islam, these groups are not united and each group are headed by people who do not know each other.

 

[Trailblazer]

What does the word flailing?

Sorry, I meant to say failing.

 

[firedragon]

I believe that is off topic. Maybe it would be appropriate if a separate thread is made illustrating what this God did and how ungrateful you are that you are still alive. Here we are exploring the Jesus of the Baha'i Faith and how he differs from the Christian Jesus. Now I have responded based on the Bible, who my Jesus is - he is not God so he was not the god who you described killed men, women and children.

What does the word flailing?
verb. (tr) to beat or thrash with or as if with a flail. to move or be moved like a flail; thresh aboutwith arms flailing.
Flailing | Definition of Flailing at Dictionary.com

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Christianity madam is divided into denominations.
Each have its own doctrine, beliefs and system of worship.
Like the religion established by Muhammad, most of these religions were established by men also.
And like Islam, these groups are not united and each group are headed by people who do not know each other.

You were off topic, so I told you this is reciprocation. More cut and pasted to come.

 

[MJFlores]

You were off topic, so I told you this is reciprocation. More cut and pasted to come.

Sorry, I meant to say failing.

 

[firedragon]

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 )

Kill Old Men and Young Women

“You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. “As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD. “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy,” says the LORD. “I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 )

More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.(Isaiah 13:15-18 )

 

[MJFlores]

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

Kill Old Men and Young Women

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

More Rape and Baby Killing

I really doubt if there was rape.

More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.(Isaiah 13:15-18 )

No rape on your quoted verse. It was a nice try though.

 

[firedragon]

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I really doubt if there was rape.



No rape on your quoted verse. It was a nice try though.

haha. Mate, no explanations are entertained. It’s the cut and paste you plaid without entertaining explanation. Only valid comment you made that as that David was not a prophet. And you were wrong, you don’t know your own bible, and you had to admit you were wrong. Everything else has been cut and pasted and memes.

so same treatment. More to come. Cut and pastes just like yours.

 

[MJFlores]

haha. Mate, no explanations are entertained. It’s the cut and paste you plaid without entertaining explanation. Only valid comment you made that as that David was not a prophet. And you were wrong, you don’t know your own bible, and you had to admit you were wrong. Everything else has been cut and pasted and memes.

so same treatment. More to come. Cut and pastes just like yours.

"A picture is worth a thousand words"

That is why I use pictures to communicate effectively.
Without visual presentations it would only be

Sure I made a mistake about David.
It was an honest mistake, because I do not extensively know David.
But if I were a member of the Branch Davidians, probably it would be different.
Or if I were a Jew or Jewish for that matter.
Which on all cases I am not, so as far as I am concerned my knowledge about David isn't the best.
My knowledge of Christ Jesus [the real and biblical] is unbeatable.
And many have yielded when they attempt to prove Jesus is a god.

 

[Dawnofhope]

The major problem with this off-topic gutter approach to Christians apologetics is it totally ignores any meaningful cultural, historical and textural analysis to alleged problems with non-Christian religions while simultaneously ignoring the Christian Bible has exactly the same weaknesses and vulnerabilities. @firedragon has demonstrated convincingly how anachronistic the Christian Scriptures are if compared to modern morals and ethics.

Assuming I take into account what you said.
David and Solomon weren't pedophiles but Muhammad was.

Pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[4] A person must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia.[4][5]

Pedophilia - Wikipedia

Diagnosis of psychiatric disorders are based on a psychiatric evaluation performed by an appropriately trained and qualified health professional.

Psychiatric diagnoses also rely on criteria that are culturally determined where there are no objective criteria. For example homosexuality was considered a psychiatric disorder until the early 70s at which time it was removed from the DSM criteria.

According to Wikipedia:

Historically, the age of consent for a sexual union was determined by tribal custom, or was a matter for families to decide. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty: such as menstruation for a girl and pubic hair for a boy.

Marriageable age - Wikipedia

So it seems clear A’isha had reached puberty by the time she moved from living with her parents to living with her husband, Muhammad. Muhammad was first monogamously married to Khadijah for 25 years. Khadijah was aged 40 when Muhammad was 25 years old. This is hardly the behaviour of a pedophile.

Khadija bint Khuwaylid - Wikipedia

The Marriage to A’isha was arranged in part for political purposes. A’isha’s father Abu Bakr was a close companion of Muhammad and became the first Rushidan Caliphate who succeeded Muhammad.

Abu Bakr - Wikipedia

It seems extremely likely the practice of women being considered ready for marriage upon menstruation was also normative in Judaism. Nowhere in Christian scriptures is there any explicit mention of a minimum age for marriage unlike the Quran that specifies menstration.

I’m not aware of any mention of the age of King David’s wives and being a tribal society there may well have been betrothal of children for marriage as with Muhammad.

According to the Talmud, a father is commanded not to marry his daughter to anyone until she grows up and says, "I want this one". A marriage that takes place without the consent of the girl is not an effective legal marriage.

A ketannah (literally meaning "little [one]") was any girl between the age of 3 years and that of 12 years plus one day; she was subject to her father's authority, and he could arrange a marriage for her without her agreement.

Jewish views on marriage - Wikipedia

 

[MJFlores]

So it seems clear A’isha had reached puberty by the time she moved from living with her parents to living with her husband, Muhammad. Muhammad was first monogamously married to Khadijah for 25 years. Khadijah was aged 40 when Muhammad was 25 years old. This is hardly the behaviour of a pedophile.

Muhammad lived 571 AD to 632 AD

He lived after Jesus Christ walked the earth.
He lived after all the prophets mentioned in the old testament bible.
In the Bible, we can't find anybody who preyed on the innocence of children.
He should have learned how the people of the Book behaved themselves.

I'm sorry.

There are people today, especially those priests who destroyed the lives of their fellowmen.

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

Whatever the motives are, nobody should prey on children.
Muhammad is just one of the many sexual predators and he isn't the worst.
The conduct and character of a religious leader must be impeccable and beyond reproach.
We are talking about God here and people's souls.
If a leader is spiritually blind he will just lead his followers to the pit.

 

[firedragon]

"A picture is worth a thousand words"

That is why I use pictures to communicate effectively.
Without visual presentations it would only be

Sure I made a mistake about David.
It was an honest mistake, because I do not extensively know David.
But if I were a member of the Branch Davidians, probably it would be different.
Or if I were a Jew or Jewish for that matter.
Which on all cases I am not, so as far as I am concerned my knowledge about David isn't the best.
My knowledge of Christ Jesus [the real and biblical] is unbeatable.
And many have yielded when they attempt to prove Jesus is a god.

Yep you made a mistake. Thats perfectly fine, we all make mistakes.

But do you think you were perfect in quoting wikiislam and cutting and pasting from that to an irrelevant thread? You don't think you could have made a mistake there as well?

So you could make a mistake when it comes to the Bible but you cannot make a mistake when it comes to cutting and pasting ahadith and some other historical stuff from WikiIslam? You did not accept a single reflection on your cutting and pasting, but you accepted you made an error about your own bible.

Are you being a hypocrite mate?

 

[firedragon]

Muhammad lived 571 AD to 632 AD

He lived after Jesus Christ walked the earth.
He lived after all the prophets mentioned in the old testament bible.
In the Bible, we can't find anybody who preyed on the innocence of children.
He should have learned how the people of the Book behaved themselves.

I'm sorry.

There are people today, especially those priests who destroyed the lives of their fellowmen.

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

Whatever the motives are, nobody should prey on children.
Muhammad is just one of the many sexual predators and he isn't the worst.
The conduct and character of a religious leader must be impeccable and beyond reproach.
We are talking about God here and people's souls.
If a leader is spiritually blind he will just lead his followers to the pit.

More of Samson’s Murders

(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ***; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 )

Peter Kills Two People

There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God.” As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?” “Yes,” she replied, “that was the price.” And Peter said, “How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too.” Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 )

Mass Murder

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3 )

You Have to Kill

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 )

The Danites Kill the Next Town

But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 )

 

[firedragon]

Muhammad lived 571 AD to 632 AD

He lived after Jesus Christ walked the earth.
He lived after all the prophets mentioned in the old testament bible.
In the Bible, we can't find anybody who preyed on the innocence of children.
He should have learned how the people of the Book behaved themselves.

I'm sorry.

There are people today, especially those priests who destroyed the lives of their fellowmen.

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

Whatever the motives are, nobody should prey on children.
Muhammad is just one of the many sexual predators and he isn't the worst.
The conduct and character of a religious leader must be impeccable and beyond reproach.
We are talking about God here and people's souls.
If a leader is spiritually blind he will just lead his followers to the pit.

God Kills Some More

Then the LORD said to me, “Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn’t help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, ‘But where can we go?’ tell them, ‘This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.’ “I will send four kinds of destroyers against them,” says the LORD. “I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.” (Jeremiah 15:1-4 )

God Promises More Killing

I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD.(Ezekiel 35:7-9 )

The Angel of Death

My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 )

Destruction of Ai

Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city.” So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: “Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, ‘The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.’ Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders.” So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn’t realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city.” Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 )

Killing at Jericho

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 )

 

[firedragon]

Muhammad lived 571 AD to 632 AD

He lived after Jesus Christ walked the earth.
He lived after all the prophets mentioned in the old testament bible.
In the Bible, we can't find anybody who preyed on the innocence of children.
He should have learned how the people of the Book behaved themselves.

I'm sorry.

There are people today, especially those priests who destroyed the lives of their fellowmen.

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

Whatever the motives are, nobody should prey on children.
Muhammad is just one of the many sexual predators and he isn't the worst.
The conduct and character of a religious leader must be impeccable and beyond reproach.
We are talking about God here and people's souls.
If a leader is spiritually blind he will just lead his followers to the pit.

You only deserve irrelevant cut and pastes.

God Kills an Extended Family

“You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'” Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam’s wife, “Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him.” (1 Kings 14:9-16 )

Mass Murder

The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 )

The Angel of Death

That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 )

Kill Your Neighbors

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 )

Kill the Family of Sinners

And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.” [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] “So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster’s Bible)

 

[MJFlores]

You only deserve irrelevant cut and pastes.

So you want to show that....?

It does not change the fact that Muhammad did what he did.
Sorry, it is etched in stone.

 

[firedragon]

So you want to show that....?

It does not change the fact that Muhammad did what he did.
Sorry, it is etched in stone.

Kill Followers of Other Religions

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD’s anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: “Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel.” So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 )

Murder

At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, “O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself.” Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, “The LORD is God! The LORD is God!” Then Elijah commanded, “Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don’t let a single one escape!” So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 )

Kill All of Babylon

“Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”. (Jeremiah 50:21-22 )

Micah Kills a Whole Town

Then, with Micah’s idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel’s son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 ) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)