Yes, and?
We are here, with you still dissing what you refuse to comprehend, thats where its going
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Who is the creator of this World?
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Yes, and?
We are here, with you still dissing what you refuse to comprehend, thats where its going
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Maybe some do.
Hmmm. Of those who I know that label themselves atheist, none would say life invented itself nor that mind spontaneously emerged from matter. They would also consider any application of the term "meaning" to be subjective. As to where it is "going", I think the assessment would be that we have to wait and see what happens but that it is certainly fun to speculate.
Considering you are discrediting all creator gods but your own image i find that comment rather hypocritical
PureX
Veteran Member
You don't have to invent an answer as so many others do. But you have to respect the question. Dismissing and discrediting the question ... a profound question that has mystified humanity from the dawn of humankind, seems like a very cheap excuse to appease an ego that just doesn't like the idea of not knowing.
Profound?
My answer was profound.
What makes the exchange cheap is finger pointing and the attempts to insult.
PureX
Veteran Member
You're inventing the insults. I am simply pointing out the human predicament as it relates to the creator-God idea. And why there are so many different names and images and stories and conception springing from it. Atheists always try to use this plethora of names and images to discredit them by playing them against each other. But for that to work they must refuse to acknowledge the universal source from which they all spring. Or belittle it into insignificance. It's their 'go to' response.
And weren't you doing that, too. Or about to?
justaguy313
Active Member
From the Holy Bible:
"Be sober and be vigilant, because your adversary, the devil,
like a roaring lion he walks and seeks someone to devour"
(1 Peter 5:8)
"I won't talk much with you anymore; because the prince of this world is coming, and there is nothing in me." (John 14:30)
"Now is the judgment of this world; now the prince of this world will be cast out." (John 12:31)
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.(2 Corinthians 4:4)
Your belief doesn't work with the creation story of the Hawaiian Islands. That story involved numerous gods with a hierarchy, and magic that resulted in the islands forming.
Of course the indigenous people had questions and believed in the mystery of where the islands came from. They invented a story as ancient people do. Guess what? The islands didn't come from gods, but from volcanic activity. So the mystery that you seem to hold onto is basic informtion about reality, and science offers us answers that are useful to displacing confusion and mystery. You seem more comfortable with confusion than knowledge.
Do you have anything whatsoever to indicate this "universal source"
A/ actually exists?
B/ is acknowledged by anyone else other than you?
PureX
Veteran Member
What exists is the question of origin, and purpose, and the many possibilities that question opens up for us in our minds.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
That first image is one of Gustav Dore’s illustrations to John Milton’s Paradise Lost - Satan arriving at the mount overlooking the Garden of Eden. Milton and Dore are two of Europe’s greatest artistic talents, separated by two centuries, but almost made for each other.
Just thought I’d point that out, nothing to do with the OP.
So no evidence then just personal opinion. Thanks
Yeah, ancient people who didn't have knowledge about how nature works, so they invented myths.
Sorry, but Christains routinely reject the Hindu creator god for their version. Atheists only get the facts right about ancient human lore, unlike you who wants to minimize and blur them into a grey paste. And as I noted the vast collection of creator gods have different limitations and descriptions, like the creator gods of the Hawaiian Islands. That myth has nothing in relation to any other myth about creation.
There is no definitive source that you keep implying exists. When questioned you have no evidence of any such "source" existing in reality.
What, pettiness? That's all yours.
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Twilight Hue
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I find the domain listed on the periodic table of the elements.
Do you believe our world is a domain of [insert something that isn't at all part of your culture or religion]?
I mean, of course you don't. Why would you?
I don't know what your "the devil" even is. Why would I believe anything in particular about it one way or another?
You tried to suggest that ignoring the creationist arguments is because of ego. On the contrary, ignoring redundant tangents is based on a humble approach.
Key word...'idea'. It's not a human predicament. It's closer to a man made idea and building it into a greater application as a god driven concept, is what exposes the ego. The creationist use the 'unknown' as evidence, whereas the honest do not have to address the tangent.
Because many beliefs (all manmade) spring up just like ideas.
If the person is comparing many disciplines, then they get the "A" in theism for actually reading beyond one set of beliefs.
My point exactly. Why refuse the facts, MAN MADE the ideas and concepts!
No, i am well aware of the FACT that MAN MADE the creation stories................ all cases, every time.
What is insignificant, is allowing the emotional attachments to be a bother.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
One interesting connection is the modern science inference of the earth having an iron core. Iron symbolically was connected to Mars and the God of war; war is hell.
What is also interesting also is the core of the earth creates the earth's magnetic field that helps to block ionic output from the sun. The Sun was often symbol of God, while blocking output from God would come from the masters of illusions. The ancients had a vision of the future of science but in a personified way.
What is also interesting also is the core of the earth creates the earth's magnetic field that helps to block ionic output from the sun. The Sun was often symbol of God, while blocking output from God would come from the masters of illusions. The ancients had a vision of the future of science but in a personified way.
Colt
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IMFOP In Christianity there is only (1) God. The devil was a son of God who went rogue.