Because there is no evidence that points to that being the case
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Who is the creator of this World?
- Thread starter justaguy313
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'Roaring Lion' that could be a new name for a brand of spirits.
I could see the label and TV commercials now. 'Try the devils blood; Roaring Lion, an get biblical this evening'
"Go rogue with a good clean spirit!"
Dude! It's brilliant.
And like I said with Budweiser............... Which ever salesman get the account with Iran, receives the position of VP!
All of mankind are sons of god.
"WE" all live within the body, eat his flesh, drink his water (blood) and every act that we cause to exist is to and upon him.
PureX
Veteran Member
Yes, and it does. Because there is no "argument" even being proposed. Yet the ego is in full auto-defense mode, and jousting at windmills.
Creation myths are how humans have long dealt with the mystery of their own existence and purpose. The myths aren't the issue. The questions and the possibilities that they enable, are. You're desperately trying to fling and flail at the myths for being myths. As if they're supposed to be something else. Why? We humans are myth-makers. We live in a mythical realm that we call "reality"; that's a myth we create in our minds to try and understand and gain some control of what we experience.
Beliefs are just ideas that we choose to presume to be true.
All ideas and concepts are man-made. Why do you keep thinking that it could or should be otherwise?
What do you imagine to be the alternative? What idea, story, concept, myth, or fact ISN'T man-made?
No one said anything about any emotional attachments.
Because we humans have an active imagination, we are capable of asking questions that we are not capable of answering. And this causes us concern when the questions involve the how and why of our own existence. So to deal with this concern people all over the world and throughout time have invented many different possible resolutions or partial resolutions to those questions, and embedded them culturally, to be used as a means of enabling some sort of positive response. "God/the gods did it, ... because ..." and so we are now expected to do "X" in response so as to fulfill our place and purpose.
What is the point of attacking the many various ideas and myths and stories and so on that we humans have developed as a means of dealing with this concern we have about not knowing how or why we exist? EXCEPT that you want to play them against each other to try and render them all insignificant, irrational, irrelevant, emotional make-believe each according to the other. Because what you really want to do is somehow bury the underlying existential concern that drives all these names and images and ideas and myths and more, insignificant, irrational, and irrelevant.
The myth is what is to deal with. Comprehending that they are man made, is what my comments are about.
for example, that is what the thread opened up with... a myth. Not that a 'who' created the world. The layering of suppositions can be best addressed by addressing the crutch of a man made myth as having any relevance.
NO, I am specifically focused on the scope of man created the story (ies)
Do as I do, focus on grounding the feet first: I live in between 'before and after' then the best solution is observing the processes that I live within.
Skip trying to answer tangent nonsense, then arguments are reduced and some type of actual solution can be pursued.
I know, i brought up that to identify a huge part of the problem.
I agree to an extent. IN prior generation specifically in the BC error, using man made ideas that a pharaoh was a god or that god lived in heavens above mankind over seeing and judging, created tangents and slowed down research.
But as time passed, now the majority can attribute lighting and thunder to weather versus a god getting pissed at people. (knowledge evolved beyond the tangent nonsense "WHO is the creator of this world?"
Totally out of context.Please read this book to learn better:
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Know…
As a botanist, Robin Wall Kimmerer has been trained to …goodreads.com
Our ancestors knew a lot about how nature works. Frankly, I think they were more on point about a lot of things than most folks today are...
How is it out of context to point out that indigenous knowledge and indigenous science (aka, ways of knowing by "ancient" people) are a thing and that our ancestors weren't just making up myths when it came to their knowledge of the natural world?
I'd challenge you to read just the first chapter of Dr. Kimmer's book. It's a creation myth and she does a good job contextualizing the purpose of such stories in guiding a people's way of life, specifically the human-nature relationship. Creation stories are often far less about the superficial facts of matters than they are about guidance for life and living. So too is the very question posed by the opening post. After all, if the earth is created by "the devil" what need is there to treat it with respect? The way we tell stories matters.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
There’s only one son of God in my opinion
To clarify the comments I was making and referring to was about the sciences in the last two centuries, and about how nature works. I wasn’t referring to the trial and error learning that ancient people were able to understand. Notice my comments cited the creation myth of the Hawaiian Islands, not about anything else. You introduced irrelevant issues out of context.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
I think mythology is fiction
Dao Hao Now
Active Member
When pointed out:
You appear to be conflating the question with the answer.
A single question can often result in different answers some of which can be correct and some of which can be (and often. are) incorrect.
This in no way indicates that the correct and the incorrect answers are the same simply because they are both given answers to the same question.
In addition not all questions proposed necessarily have answers and the fact that many may offer an attempt to answer that question doesn’t make those attempts the same.
You replied:
When asked for clarification:
You replied:
You appear to be conflating the question with the answer.
A single question can often result in different answers some of which can be correct and some of which can be (and often. are) incorrect.
This in no way indicates that the correct and the incorrect answers are the same simply because they are both given answers to the same question.
In addition not all questions proposed necessarily have answers and the fact that many may offer an attempt to answer that question doesn’t make those attempts the same.
The greeks wrote much of the bible. Are you against greek religious opinions?
Osiris is the son of god. Egypt is where Moses was born and raised, are you familiar with Moses?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
I think all religions are fiction
InChrist
Free4ever
I think it’s certainly correct that no one could know any of this stuff. That’s the reason I believe humans out of necessity had to have any of it revealed by the Creator. I believe that’s what the biblical scriptures are; God’s revelation to humanity.
I don't believe that there is a literal devil - or, for that matter, a literal Abrahamic god either.
I saw Hercules in the movie Jason and the Argonauts. As I recall, he loused up their mission when he tried to steal something from the gods.
Perseus was in Clash of the Titans, with Burgess Meredith telling him "You're gonna eat lightnin' and you're gonna crap thunder!"
See, lots of sons of god!
Not even messiah is special nor any more a son, than any other!
Do you have a clue of the conversation?