Midnight Pete
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Jesus is God-the-Son, 2nd Person of the Trinity.
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Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?
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Jesus is God-the-Son, 2nd Person of the Trinity.
watcher102
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Thanks, much appreciated. I'm after all only after learning. If someone could actually stop repeating stuff and go with the questions maybe I wouldn't have to keep replying to the same posters. Now that I notice i'm being put on ignore to my questions and only being bullied and insinuated and assualted by whom I thought were people wanting to discuss scriptures and questions and debates are lost and is a loss for me to learn here.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Put simply, God is present in three Persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Each Person of the Trinity is fully God.
In other words, Jesus is God.
Mankind's religious family tree has its roots in Mesopotamia. Ancient pagan Babylon was the birthplace of many religious concepts and ideas that are still around today such as the triad of gods or three gods in one.
The Abrahamic religions on the other hand did not follow the pagan concepts of a triune god. Israel did not believe in a trinity. 1st century Christianity did not have the concept of a trinity. After the end of the first century began a blending or mixing of pagan teachings and practices absorbed into Christianity and created a counterfeit Christianity or Christendom.
Bible writer Luke wrote a warning that wolf-like clergy dressed in sheep's clothing would fleece the flock of God.- Acts 20vs29,30
So the clergy class fused the old pagan trinity concept into 'so-called Christianity' in order to have the pagans easily become church members.
The heavenly resurrected Jesus says at Revelation [3v14 B] that he [Jesus] is the beginning of the creation by God. So Jesus believed he is God's created heavenly Son and not God the Son. [Col. 1vs15,16] The resurrected heavenly Jesus still believes he is the Son of God.- Rev 2v18. Jesus also still believes he has a God over him.- Rev 3v12.
Jesus is a person. God is a person.
-Hebrews 9v24
Greek grammar rules often uses the word 'he' for God's spirit.
But never is the word 'it' or 'itself' used for God or Jesus.
God and Jesus are Not: 'its'.
Yet, 'it' or 'itself' is used in connection to God's spirit.
Job [27v3] had God's spirit in his nostrils.
Highly unlikely Job had a person in his nose.
Romans [8v26] mentions the spirit 'itself' .... [neuter]
John [14v17] also connects spirit with 'it', not as he or him.
Also, the people of Acts chapter two were' filled' with God's spirit.
At Acts [2v17] mentions God will 'pour out' his spirit on his servants.....
Does one 'fill' or 'pour out' a person on another person or persons?
So spirit is not always in the masculine but as neuter [it; itself]
because God's holy spirit is a thing [it] that belongs to God.
[Psalm 143v10;104v30;Num 11v17 [it]; Neh 9v20]
As Ecclesiastes [12v7] says the spirit returns to God who gave: 'it'.
Whereas, Jesus also belongs to God, but God gave his Son [he not it] for us.
AK4
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Do you realise the trinity doctrine denies Jesus? It calls Him a liar and that those who believe in it--thier faith is futile and worthless? This is not my opinion either, this is what the scripture say.
AK4
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Show me ONE scripture that says God is a person. You cant!!:no:
AK4
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Sorry I dont do that. I show people where they can actually find truth and they can make up their own minds if they believe the scriptures or not. I dont parrot the same stupid superstitions and lies and myths and fables that all those that are still in MYSTERY BABYLON the Great also known as in scripture as those who have fallen away. Think about it, who is able to fall away from the truth? Athiest? Muslims? Hindus? Satanists? No, the scriptures are for believers. The NT is for the church. The church calls themselves christians. And the scriptures repeatedly say that THIS CHURCH has fallen away and God commands in Revelation to "Come out of her My people". Oh but the church teaches that God is telling the Athiest, Muslims, Hindus, Satanists, etc etc to come out. Good grief
AK4
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Again, show me ONE SCRIPTURE that says God is a person. Especially three persons in one.
watcher102
Member
Well if Gensis is right,and man was created in gods image, that would mean and I am deciphering what no body has here mentioned is that we are inside a live body. Maybe if people understand this it would help in understanding the other meanings of scripture.
AK4
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Well God is spirit [John 4:24]. An analogy for this is we are in God and God is in us just the fish are in the ocean and the ocean is in them or the birds are in the air and the air is in them.
Paul says this in Acts
"this I proclaim to you. 24 "The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord R1005 of heaven and earth, does not dwell R1006 in temples made with hands; 25 nor is He served by human hands, as R1007 though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all {people} life and breath and all things; 26 and He R1008 made from one {man} every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined R1009 {their} appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though R1010 He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in R1011 Him we live and move and exist, F402 as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'
Jesus says I am in the Father and the Father is in Me. Jesus was created by the Father just like we are created. Jesus is in the Father like we are in the Father and " for in Him we live and move and exist,"
We are in God who is spirit. If you go bythe trinity doctrine though you are right that somehow we are in a person. Kinda hard to believe aint it?
AK4
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Watcher i answer this one for you, yet i wont answer it i will Paul who penned this scripture answer for you
1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there R288 is but one God, the R289 Father, from R290 whom are all things and we exist for [in] Him; and one R291 Lord, Jesus Christ, by R292 whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
7 However not all men have R293 this knowledge;
Oh how true that last verse is regarding trinitarians?
Question: We have one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ, so if there is a "third person to the trinity" where is it in this scripture? Did Paul forget about the holy spirit?
Ridiculous aint it?
Oh how true that last verse is regarding trinitarians?
Question: We have one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ, so if there is a "third person to the trinity" where is it in this scripture? Did Paul forget about the holy spirit?
Ridiculous aint it?
watcher102
Member
See Jesus was said to be the vessel for god and that god from my understanding is supposibly born unto Jesus. That sounds like a conception. Putting of oneself into apart of oneself is a conception or seed. That would mean that god is female!
It could also because of the mention of Jesus being reborn, that god is actually both genders or like a singlar. A singlar that can alter itself, mutiply and divide.
It could also because of the mention of Jesus being reborn, that god is actually both genders or like a singlar. A singlar that can alter itself, mutiply and divide.
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Webster: judgment - a calamity regarded as sent by God, by way of punishment
It is common Christian parlance: see Nu 33:4.
I take it you aren't referring to the OT where many of God's punishments are recorded.
We see punishment in 1 Co 11:29-30, right?
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watcher102
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Is there more mentions of the holy spirit as to what it is?
I get what you mean by third person, "taken into account", but yeah its not sound to just leave the holy spirit out unless there is something behind it from the last writtings. I would have to read more on what your asking to give a more definitve answer. Still newbie on reading this and obviously asking question that have gone over. :foot:
Still your question needs an answer.
Unless the holy spirit has been left out on account it was all ready mentioned before hand than it would have to do with different accounts on scriptures or its believed something other than; as to god and the holy spirit being one and the same.
What do you think?
Midnight Pete
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The Holy Spirit is a proper noun because he is the 3rd person of the Holy Trinity. And yes, it's a he and not an it.
watcher102
Member
:angel2: Maybe our creator is not the perfection some want to portray.