Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?

[sojourner]

Did the Old Testimony say, that Elijah was reincarnated as John the Baptist?

The answer is NO.

Then how come you accepted it?

I didn't say I did...

How come John the Baptist was not mentioned in the Old Testimony?

Because John the Baptist was unknown to the OT writers.
I really don't know what you're on about here.

 

[sojourner]

Human has 2 nature. physical (natural body) and spiritual.

Humans have one nature: God's creatures. Physical and spiritual are really one and the same.

What made Him different than normal people was His spiritual nature.

What made him different was that he is fully Divine.

 

[sojourner]

And I really can't get my head around "parables are not for our minds, parables are for 'feeling'."
How's that for novelty?

Parables are analogies. Analogies are for the mind.

Not according to the best scholars.

Your human reasoning is taking you far afield of the plain meaning of the NT.

It's only plain if we understand how the literary device works.

 

[sojourner]

Again, It wasn't God who died, it was Jesus who died!

" For I am the LORD, I change not" Malachi 3:6

If we say, God died, that is to say, that God changed! and that would contradict with Bible, for God does not change.

Not according to Philippians. Jesus is God.
What is the context in which Malachi has God say God is changeless? That might shed some light here.

 

[sojourner]

I could never understand the God metamorphises (spellcheck?) complex. If God transformed himself as Jesus then the nature of God is dualistic no?

It's not "metamorphosis."

 

[sojourner]

Do you guys realise that the whole bible is one giant parable?

No it isn't. some of it is history, some of it is poetry, some of it is law, some of it is narrative, some of it is apocalypse.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I didn't say I did...

Because John the Baptist was unknown to the OT writers.
I really don't know what you're on about here.

well, if you recall, earlier you said:

With all due respect for your religion, The Bible does not say that John was reincarnated as the Bab.

The Bab lived about 160 year ago (He was born in 1819). The Bible is written thousands of years ago and still His name was mentioned in the Bible.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Not according to the best scholars.

What about according to logic and reasoning?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Humans have one nature: God's creatures. Physical and spiritual are really one and the same.

Not according to Bible:

"that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural" cor. 15:47

 

[sojourner]

The Bab lived about 160 year ago (He was born in 1819). The Bible is written thousands of years ago and still His name was mentioned in the Bible.

...and the Bab's name was?....

 

[sojourner]

What about according to logic and reasoning?

The scholars utilize the best logic and reasoning in their analysis of the texts. Since they are privy to the best evidence, their logic and reasoning can go further than most.

 

[sojourner]

Not according to Bible:

"that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural" cor. 15:47

Context? Reference?
Which "Corinthians? First or Second?
What was Paul saying about spirituality that causes him to write in such a way? statements pulled out of context are meaningless.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

...and the Bab's name was?....

The Bab means "the gate". The Bab was His Title as He was the gate to the Glory of God.
The relation between The Bab and Baha'u'llah is the same relation between John the Baptist and Christ.

John came before Christ and He was the Crier and Herald for Christ. The Bab came before Baha'u'llah and He was the Crier and Herald for Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah means Glory of God. The Bab was the Gate for the revelation of Baha'u'lah.

This is mentioned in the vision of Ezekiel:
"Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: 43:2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory." 43:3
Both The Bab and Baha’u’llah were born in Persia (the east) and later Baha’u’llah was exiled to Israel. Note how the prophecies in the vision of Ezekiel are fulfilled!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The scholars utilize the best logic and reasoning in their analysis of the texts. Since they are privy to the best evidence, their logic and reasoning can go further than most.

Just because some scholars are famous that doesn't make them infallible, does it? We still need to use our logic as well!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Just because some scholars are famous that doesn't make them infallible, does it? We still need to use our logic as well!

Jesus used his logic and reasoning on Scripture.

Often Jesus prefaced his referring or quoting to already recorded Scripture with the words, "It is written." Written in the Hebrew OT Scriptures. -Rom 15v4

In the Revelation, that the heavenly resurrected Jesus gave to John, at Revelation 3v14 B,
Jesus thinks of himself as the beginning of the creation by God.

 

[sojourner]

The Bab means "the gate". The Bab was His Title as He was the gate to the Glory of God.
The relation between The Bab and Baha'u'llah is the same relation between John the Baptist and Christ.

John came before Christ and He was the Crier and Herald for Christ. The Bab came before Baha'u'llah and He was the Crier and Herald for Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah means Glory of God. The Bab was the Gate for the revelation of Baha'u'lah.

This is mentioned in the vision of Ezekiel:
"Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: 43:2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory." 43:3
Both The Bab and Baha’u’llah were born in Persia (the east) and later Baha’u’llah was exiled to Israel. Note how the prophecies in the vision of Ezekiel are fulfilled!

Well, I think that's debatable, but if you believe it, fine.
BTW, what does this have to do with a debate on the Trinity?

 

[sojourner]

Just because some scholars are famous that doesn't make them infallible, does it? We still need to use our logic as well!

I didn't say they were famous, nor did I say that they were infallible. Of course we have to use our own logic, but when they have more information to go on than we do, they sort of hod the trump card in that dept.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Well, I think that's debatable, but if you believe it, fine.

Ok, it could be discussed in another forum if you wish.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...n/104747-bahai-vs-end-times-christianity.html

BTW, what does this have to do with a debate on the Trinity?

Well, the subject came up, since I had placed some quotes from the Baha'i Scriptures. Then you said they are not from Bible, Then the conversation just continued untill we got here!

 

[Maimonides]

It's not "metamorphosis."

Then what is it?

 

[AK4]

No it isn't. some of it is history, some of it is poetry, some of it is law, some of it is narrative, some of it is apocalypse.

See how much you dont know. The parable is stated right there in Genesis and it how God is making man in "Our" image. This is backed up by multiple witnesses (scripture) also, but your scholars and theologians you praise so dearly dont teach you these things so how would you know right?

You know the scriptures have so much to say about you people who think you are so "scholary".