Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?

[Katzpur]

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Gen. 1:26

Meaning that God said, let’s create human to have the same attributes and virtues of God:
What are the attributes of God?

…the God of patience and consolation.. 15:5 Rom.
… the kindness and love of God…Tit. 3:5
… a God of truth…Deut. 32:5
To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses Dan. 9:10
And more and more.

In His image (His appearance), after His likeness (His virtues and attributes).

 

[Maimonides]

Birth is not the same as metamorphosis.

Well if christians hold jesus to be God, God changed. Christians don't hold Jesus to be an emanation of God but is God. Jesus was a human being so God apparently according Christians became flesh that sounds like metamorphis to me

 

[InvestigateTruth]

In His image (His appearance), after His likeness (His virtues and attributes).[/color][/size][/font]

Actually, image of God is invisible:
“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature” Col.1:16

Now, if you say, by image is meant the physical appearance, then, it would be visible.

And again by image is meant the image of the Spirit of the Lord:

“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are
changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.” 2Cor. 3:18

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well if christians hold jesus to be God, God changed. Christians don't hold Jesus to be an emanation of God but is God. Jesus was a human being so God apparently according Christians became flesh that sounds like metamorphis to me

Did Jesus believe himself to be God?
Even the resurrected heavenly Jesus still considers himself to be the Son of God. -Rev 2v18.
Jesus still believes he has a God over him at Rev 3v12.
Jesus believes he is the beginning of the creation by God at Rev 3v14 B

 

[Maimonides]

Well christians I know count the bible verse "I and the Father are one." Who knows. Wait it dawned on me. Is it possible that there is some parallel between Jesus and Anakin Skywalker? LoL

 

[Firstborner]

Humans have one nature: God's creatures. Physical and spiritual are really one and the same.

I count two natures present in the same body

-Rom 7:22, 23 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

 

[AK4]

A parable is a particular literary device. Ask any literary critic. They will tell you that Genesis is not a parable.

Okay now, find a interlineary and look at the verse where God says He is MAKING [not made as in that we are a finished product] man in His image. Making--thats a big difference from made, so it should be obvious that we and all that has been born save one is a work in process and that the stuff said throughout the bible [when you do your homework] will show you that God is still MAKING man in His image, hence there you should see that the doctrine or teaching of the "fall" is another bogus teaching of the church to support their false doctrine of freewill and lucifer. Will you do your homework and find the "pearl of great price" or just continue to rely on your "scholars" and see "if these things be so"?

 

[AK4]

Agreed on Romans.

I see, you didn't mean the Bible itself was a parable, you meant that it made extensive use of them.

No i really to do mean that its one giant parable and the parable is "God making man in His image". the translations out there have hidden the what the hebrew really says on that verse and they make it as God was finished once He created man but the reality is that He is still making man in His image, we were never perfect in the beginning niether was there a "fall".

 

[smokydot]

No i really to do mean that its one giant parable and the parable is "God making man in His image". the translations out there have hidden the what the hebrew really says on that verse and they make it as God was finished once He created man but the reality is that He is still making man in His image, we were never perfect in the beginning niether was there a "fall".

I believe the Bible is true.
It seems you don't, so where you are not in agreement with it, I won't be in agreement with you.
And that's where we will have to leave it.

 

[smokydot]

I could say the same about you. Shall we play that silly game or not?

Ge 1:26 -- "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over. . ."

Image and likeness have the same meaning, and are used interchangeably in both the OT (Ge 5:1, 9:6) and the NT (1 Co 11:7; Col 3:10; Jas 3:9).

Col 3:10 -- the new self which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

Eph 4:24 -- created to be like God in righteousness and holiness.

Included in the image and likeness of God are righteousness, holiness, knowledge of him and dominion (Ge 1:26--"rule").

That is the clear testimony of both the OT (Ge 1:26) and the NT (Col 3:10; Eph 4:24).

If you don't believe it, then you don't believe the Scriptures.

 

[smokydot]

Okay now, find a interlineary and look at the verse where God says He is MAKING [not made as in that we are a finished product] man in His image. Making--thats a big difference from made,

"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness. . ."

God hasn't made Adam yet. . .he's not "making," he is going to make.

so it should be obvious that we and all that has been born save one is a work in process and that the stuff said throughout the bible [when you do your homework] will show you that God is still MAKING man in His image, henceforth here you should see that the doctrine or teaching of the "fall" is another bogus teaching of the church to support their false doctrine of freewill and lucifer.

The account is right there in Genesis where God tells Adam, "dying, you will die" (Hebrew construction). Immortal Adam was no longer immortal, but mortal,
which was testimony to his spiritual death (loss of eternal life). "Dying (spiritually), you will die (physically)."

That is the Fall.

Will you do your homework and find the "pearl of great price" or just continue to rely on your "scholars" and see "if these things be so"?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Adam was not created immortal [death proof].
Adam was never offered immortality but everlasting life.

The difference with everlasting life is that besides obedience to God, as a human Adam would have needed to be dependent on outside conditions such as eating and drinking,etc.

 

[AK4]

I believe the Bible is true.
It seems you don't, so where you are not in agreement with it, I won't be in agreement with you.
And that's where we will have to leave it.

Bibles can be decieving, but the original scriptures are definitely true. This can be proven very easily. I believe the scriptures, I do not trust all translations of bibles because there is no one perfect translation out there.

If you believe, for example, the KIng James Version is infallible, then you are decieved.

 

[AK4]

Smokydot
"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness. . ."

God hasn't made Adam yet. . .he's not "making," he is going to make.

Wow.

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The account is right there in Genesis where God tells Adam, "dying, you will die" (Hebrew construction). Immortal Adam was no longer immortal, but mortal,
which was testimony to his spiritual death (loss of eternal life). "Dying (spiritually), you will die (physically)."

That is the Fall.

You are surely mistaken. Adam was immortal? I would do this myself but how about i paste someone who exposes this heresy so plainly a child should understand it

It is universally taught (and believed) that Adam and Eve were already formed and created in the very spiritual image of God way back in the garden. This is not, however, how the Hebrew manuscripts read, as a perfect creature formed in the very spiritual image of God, that not only does not sin, but cannot sin. The reason that Jesus (made unto sinful flesh) did not sin, was not that He could not sin, but rather His Father WOULD NOT LET HIM SIN. Jesus was born with a physical body, and therefore that body had to die. But I assure you that Jesus did not possess a "carnal mind" in that body of flesh. He sinned NOT.
Making mankind into God’s own Image is a process that involves a lifetime of trials and tribulations that includes the crucifying and mortifying of the carnal human mind and body. I realize that from the King James and many modern translations it sounds like it was a "past tense" made in His image at creation, but actually it was not. Gen. 1:26-27 is equivalent to our English imperfect. Here is how one Version translates it:

"And saying is God, Make WILL WE [a continuing action] humanity in Our image…"
and
"And CREATING [a continuing action] is God humanity in His image" (Gen. 1:26a & 27a Concordant Literal Old Testament),
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Man is not a "spirit being" having a "physical" experience, but rather man is a "physical and mortal" being having a "spiritual" experience. We are first born mortal [physical], but in the resurrection God gives us immortality (the spiritual). Throw away this marvelous truth of Scripture, and you will be as deceived as Kenneth Copeland when he stated that when Adam was created, he was so shining, so glorious, so spiritual, so GOD-like, that one could not even see his body for the glorious radiance of his spirituality. Oh really? And is that why he was "naked," although he "…knew not that he was wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and NAKED" (Gen. 3: 7 versus Rev. 3:17)?
Just prior to Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit, we read that Eve:

"…saw that the tree was good for food [‘the lust of the flesh,’ I John 2:16],
and that it was pleasant to the eyes [‘the lust of the eyes,’ I John 2:16],
and a tree to be desired to make one wise [‘the pride of life,’ I John 2:16],
she did eat… and he did eat" (Gen. 3:6).
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It is not just the eating of the fruit that was a sin, but the "lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life" that went before the eating. And just why were they so filled with sin at their very creation? Because they were in the "perfect spiritual image of GOD?" Poppycock. They were natural, physical, carnal, and "…the carnal mind [with which Adam and Eve were created] is enmity [hatred] against God, for it is not subject to the law of God [‘But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it…’ Gen. 2:17], neither indeed can be" (Rom. 8:7).
So, do the Scriptures really teach what the world has been taught—that Adam and Eve were made into the perfect spiritual "image of God?" Get real.
Here is how GOD says He created Adam and Eve:

"For the creature was made subject to vanity [King James Margin: "futility"], not willingly, but by reason of Him [God] Who has subjected [Gk: ‘subjects’—aorist tense—subjecting is still going on] the same in hope" (Rom. 8:20).

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In Dante’s inferno, "all hope is gone…," but in God’s realm He subjects the entire creation "…in HOPE,"
God willfully, wantingly, knowingly, purposely, and wisely, created mankind "subject to vanity," subject to failure, but beyond the failure, God also subjects the same in "hope." Once again, contrary to all orthodox doctrine, there is hope for all of God’s carnal-minded, God-hating people on planet Earth. God Himself says so, in the same breath: "because the creature itself [the same creation that God subjects to vanity, futility, failure, and carnal-minded hatred against God] also shall be [ah, did you catch that? ‘shall be’], delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God" (Rom. 8:21).Do you believe the Scriptures? Really—what about this one?
And so God, "made the creature subject to vanity"—failure, but later in mankind’s development, the creature "shall be"— [future tense]… shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption." Ah yes, God created them in a condition of "bondage" and "corruption," and therefore not "immortal" as is taught, but rather in "bondage of corruption." But thanks to God, in the resurrection of the dead, ‘…this corruption must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality’ (I Cor. 15:54).
Yes, of course, first comes the PHYSICAL (death), and then the SPIRITUAL (life). There it is—the hope of all humanity. Corruption and mortality (the physical first) must put on incorruption and immortality [the afterward spiritual).

And so you quote me saying
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Will you do your homework and find the "pearl of great price" or just continue to rely on your "scholars" and see "if these things be so"?

Now this is for you too because to say that God created Adam immortal and many many other scriptures say the opposite, then you either believe God and His Word is full of contradictions and confusion or maybe its just what youve been taught to believe that is full of contradictions and confusions

 

[smokydot]

Adam was not created immortal [death proof].
Adam was never offered immortality

Immortal does not mean "death proof," it means "not subject to death."
Just as I am not "tax proof" (due to no income this year), rather I am "not subject to" income tax.
But that can change if I earn income, just as Adam's immortality could change if he disobeyed God.

He wasn't "offered" immortality, because he was created with it. Adam was immortal and lost his immortality in the failure of his trial.

but everlasting life.The difference with everlasting life is that besides obedience to God, as a human Adam would have needed to be dependent on outside conditions such as eating and drinking,etc.

"Everlasting life" and "eternal life" are the same Greek word in the NT--aionios, and are the same thing. They are the spiritual life of God in one's spirit.
"This is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." (Jn 17:3)
Adam lost spiritual life when he sinned, which was shown by losing access to the Tree of Life,
and his consequential spiritual death was shown by his loss of immortality in his physical death.

Is the Bible the only source of your faith? Why are you arguing about its meaning?
Is Jesus Christ your all in all? Is there any other to whom you look to show you the way to the Father?
If so, you cannot have a true knowledge of the Scriptures.

You cannot have two masters (Lk 16:13) applies not only to money.
Either Jesus Christ is your only Master and Lord, or he is not your Master and Lord at all.
And, according to Jesus, if he is not your only Master and Lord, you are not in God's family.

 

[smokydot]

Bibles can be decieving, but the original scriptures are definitely true. This can be proven very easily. I believe the scriptures, I do not trust all translations of bibles because there is no one perfect translation out there.

So where do you find these Scriptures?

If you believe, for example, the KIng James Version is infallible, then you are ]decieved.

The KJV was translated prior to our current knowledge of ancient Greek.

 

[AK4]

Originally Posted by smokydot
I believe the Bible is true.
It seems you don't, so where you are not in agreement with it, I won't be in agreement with you.
And that's where we will have to leave it.

Oh, as for the giant parable, do you believe the scriptures that says "all these things were written for admonition" [this was penned by Paul when there was only the OT scriptures].

Jesus said "Inasmuch as ye [all you] have done it unto one of the least of these My BRETHREN, ye have done it unto ME… Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these [My brethren], ye did it not to ME" (Matt. 25:40b & 45b).

"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning HIMSELF"(Luke 24:27).

Theres more:

"Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into DEATH: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so WE also should walk in newness of life… I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ LIVES IN ME: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, Who loved me, and gave Himself for me" (Rom. 6:4 & Gal. 2:20).

"Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also… Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He [Jesus] IS, SO ARE WE IN THE WORLD…" (John 15:20 & I John 4:17).

And countless other scriptures about being like Jesus and following His footsteps. When the Scriptures speak of Israel they speak of Jesus, and when they speak of Jesus they speak of us, for "…as Jesus is, so are we in the world" (I John 4:17).

Jesus fulfilled all that is written in the Law of Moses and all the prophets—it ALL pertains to Jesus, and thus it all pertains to us (‘upon whom the ends of the ages are come,’ I Cor. 10:11).

Do you believe those scriptures or as those who praise the god of context context context and believe the scriptures where it says

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine F138? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering F139 lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

 

[smokydot]

Wow. You are surely mistaken. Adam was immortal? I would do this myself but how about i paste someone who exposes this heresy so plainly a child should understand it.

Your paste assumes Adam and Eve were immutable (fixed).They were not before the Fall, just as the angels in heaven who rebelled were not immutable before their fall.
They were not fixed in obedience and righteousness.
Both the angels, as well as Adam and Even became immutable (fixed) in their sinfulness at the failure of their trials (their falls).
No remedy was offered to the fallen angels, and they are fixed (immutable) in their rebellion against God.
A remedy is offererd to fallen mankind. Those who reject the only remedy offered (faith in Jesus Christ--Jn 3:18) will likewise remain fixed in their rebellion (Jn 3:36).

And so you quote me saying
Quote: Will you do your homework and find the "pearl of great price" or just continue to rely on your "scholars" and see "if these things be so"?
Now this is for you too because to say that God created Adam immortal and many many other scriptures say the opposite,

Actually, I wasn't quoting it back to you, it was just the rest of your post.

And there are no Scriptures correctly understood in the light of the whole Bible which say the opposite.

then you either believe God and His Word is full of contradictions and confusion or maybe its just what youve been taught to believe that is full of contradictions and confusions

Or rather, it is what you've been taught that is full of contraditions and confusion.

 

[AK4]

So where do you find these Scriptures?

Jer 8:8 - "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made {it} into a lie
Notice its the scribes, those responsible for copying the hebrew text meticuously, who has the lying pen. Also you have warnings from throughout the Word about "wolves in sheep clothing", "angels of the devil" or this one

2Co 11:15 -Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Really though the evidence is right there. For instance, the greek word hades and the hebrew word sheol should never be translated hell, and one of the most blatant is the words olam/aion/aionis being translated as forever, everlasting, or eternal.

The KJV was translated prior to our current knowledge of ancient Greek

The KJV also has many omissions and additions added to it also along with words being translated poorly. The thing is, i am no scholar or whatever on greek or hebrew but the scriptures themselves can prove the translators wrong

 

[smokydot]

Oh, as for the giant parable, do you believe the scriptures that says "all these things were written for admonition" [this was penned by Paul when there was only the OT scriptures].

I believe the entire Protestant Canon, and that a verse without a context is a pretext.

Jesus said "Inasmuch as ye [all you] have done it unto one of the least of these My BRETHREN, ye have done it unto ME… Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these [My brethren], ye did it not to ME" (Matt. 25:40b & 45b).
"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning HIMSELF"(Luke 24:27).
Theres more:
"Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into DEATH: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so WE also should walk in newness of life… I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ LIVES IN ME: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, Who loved me, and gave Himself for me" (Rom. 6:4 & Gal. 2:20).
"Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also… Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He [Jesus] IS, SO ARE WE IN THE WORLD…" (John 15:20 & I John 4:17).
And countless other scriptures about being like Jesus and following His footsteps. When the Scriptures speak of Israel they speak of Jesus, and when they speak of Jesus they speak of us, for "…as Jesus is, so are we in the world" (I John 4:17).
Jesus fulfilled all that is written in the Law of Moses and all the prophets—it ALL pertains to Jesus, and thus it all pertains to us (‘upon whom the ends of the ages are come,’ I Cor. 10:11).
Do you believe those scriptures or as those who praise the god of context context context and believe the scriptures where it says
Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine F138? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering F139 lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.