Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?

[smokydot]

And so why are the following Scriptures the true Scriptures and not the "deceptive" Scriptures of the Bible?

Jer 8:8 - "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made {it} into a lie
Notice its the scribes, those responsible for copying the hebrew text meticuously, who has the lying pen. Also you have warnings from throughout the Word about "wolves in sheep clothing", "angels of the devil"

Actually, it is you who are misinterpreting and manipulating the Word of God written, and making it into a lie.

or this one
2Co 11:15 -Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Really though the evidence is right there. For instance, the greek word hades and the hebrew word sheol should never be translated hell, and one of the most blatant is the words olam/aion/aionis being translated as forever, everlasting, or eternal.

These became evident when the knowlege of ancient Greek was acquired.

The KJV also has many omissions and additions added to it also along with words being translated poorly. The thing is, i am no scholar or whatever on greek or hebrew but the scriptures themselves can prove the translators wrong

I don't use the KJV. . .never have.

 

[ChristineES]

Jesus once denied being God. "Why do you call me good? There is no one good except God alone". (Mark. 10:18, Luke 18:19)

Therefore Jesus is not God, but man. I can pretty much guarantee that Jesus didn't think of himself as God. I don't think it was ever part of the prophecy that the Messiah would be God Himself.

I take that to mean that while He was a human on earth, He was 100% human. He has been called 100% human and 100% God, which means that while He as a human- He really was a human. And He could be tempted.

 

[AK4]

Smokydot, Sorry if i offended you. I do come pretty strong in speech when it comes to the scriptures and i only capitolize, underline and highlight for emphasis, not for "yelling" or whatever. Anyway

Your paste assumes Adam and Eve were immutable (fixed).They were not before the Fall, just as the angels in heaven who rebelled were not immutable before their fall.
They were not fixed in obedience and righteousness.

Isnt that what i posted, that they were not fixed in obedience and righteousness but rather created in "vanity"....

"For the creature was made subject to vanity [King James Margin: "futility"], not willingly, but by reason of Him [God] Who has subjected [Gk: ‘subjects’—aorist tense—subjecting is still going on] the same in hope" (Rom. 8:20).

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Vanity-Strongs #3153

1. what is devoid of truth and appropriateness
2. perverseness, depravity
3. frailty, want of vigour

They were were created this way. This is what the Word says, not me. The Word says they sinned even before they ate the fruit. Its right there, i just showed you this and you reject it.

Both the angels, as well as Adam and Even became immutable (fixed) in their sinfulness at the failure of their trials (their falls).

Please show me scripture stating man fell [the fall]. Show me scripture that states that Adam was perfect before this fall and THEN became immutable

No remedy was offered to the fallen angels, and they are fixed (immutable) in their rebellion against God.

Really? So there is no scriptures that say even these "fallen" angels will not be saved also with the rest of all mankind too? If you say "yeah" then i have some scriptures for you that should make you reconsider. Remember you said fixed or immutable as in cannot be changed.

A remedy is offererd to fallen mankind.

A remedy has be offered to all of Gods creation and that is Jesus. Again i can show you scriptures.

Those who reject the only remedy offered (faith in Jesus Christ--Jn 3:18) will likewise remain fixed in their rebellion (Jn 3:36).

Ahh so in otherwords, you believe in freewill and that God doesnt have the power to make "every knee bow to Him and call Him Lord"? Then the scriptures are not true because it says that "no one can call Jesus Lord except by the Holy Spirit" and since EVERY KNEE will bow, as it says, and will call Him Lord then NOT EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND CALL HIM LORD. Do you see it? You believe there is a contradiction in scripture and therefore believe God is a liar. This all stems from the doctrine of freewill [which is a blatant doctrine calling God a liar] which brings forth soooooo many other false teachings like hell, trinity, people or anything able to reject God and God doesnt have the power, knowledge and the ability to make them follow Him.

Actually, I wasn't quoting it back to you, it was just the rest of your post.

My bad then.

And there are no Scriptures correctly understood in the light of the whole Bible which say the opposite.

Really? How many should i quote. I quoted one already and you dont believe that one so if i quote hundreds will that change your mind? How about just this one

"And Jesus said, Are ye [all of you] also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever enters in at the mouth goes into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth FROM THE HEART; and they defile the man.
For out of THE HEART proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man" (Matt. 15:16-20).
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So what does all this stuff have to do with Mother Eve’s sin in the garden? A lot—everything. The Apostle John classifies all sins into just three categories under one heading. Three categories of sin

"Love NOT the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father IS NOT IN HIM. For [for means ‘because’] ALL that is in the world,
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1. the lust of the FLESH,
   
2. the lust of the EYES,
   
3. and the pride of LIFE,
   

is not of the Father, but is of the world.
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And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God abides for ever" (I John 2:15-17).
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Now what was i showed you in earlier posts about her sinning before she even ate the fruit?

"And when the woman saw that the tree was GOOD FOR FOOD… Gen. 3:6:
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1. "…lust of the FLESH…" (I John 2:15)
   
   and that it was PLEASANT TO THE EYES… Gen. 3:6:
2. "…lust of the EYES…" (I John 2:15)
   
   and a tree to be DESIRED TO MAKE ONE WISE Gen. 3:6:
   
   [*]"…the PRIDE OF LIFE" (I John 2;15)
   

Eve committed EVERY CATEGORY OF SIN THERE IS IN THE WORLD, before… BEFORE she actually ate of the forbidden fruit.

Need more?

 

[AK4]

I believe the entire Protestant Canon, and that a verse without a context is a pretext.

So if you believe the whole canon is ONE and i quote something out of this ONE book and it doesnt contradict any precept made by it and i believe the scriptures that says "All Thy Word is TRUTH" and the God is not a liar and all scripture is inspired by God etc etc etc etc then am i not in context. Did Jesus and the Apostles take scriptures out of context as they quoted scriptures? Did Peter in the very beginning of Acts take a two completely different verses and CHANGE some words, combine them together and say this is what GOD is telling us to do on replacing Judas verse without context and make it pretext?

Look, in Acts 1:20 we see Peter putting into practice the "Scriptural understanding" that Jesus gave him the evening of His resurrection. Let’s notice what Peter says:

"For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let His habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take."
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Peter took half his statement from Psalm 69:25, but changed the word "their" to "his," and the other half of his statement is from Psalm 109:8, and neither Psalm appears to have anything to do with selecting a new Apostle to replace Judas.

Do you see this yet?

 

[AK4]

And so why are the following Scriptures the true Scriptures and not the "deceptive" Scriptures of the Bible?

Just check the greek or hebrew and see for yourself. But its even deeper than that but thats a start

Actually, it is you who are misinterpreting and manipulating the Word of God written, and making it into a lie.

If you say so, yet the scriptures back me up and is my witness.

I don't use the KJV. . .never have

The KJV isnt a bad translation except for some and certain places.

 

[smokydot]

Smokydot, Sorry if i offended you. I do come pretty strong in speech when it comes to the scriptures and i only capitolize, underline and highlight for emphasis, not for "yelling" or whatever.

The only thing that is "offensive" to me is your abuse, though well-intentioned, of the Scriptures.

Anyway
Isnt that what i posted, that they were not fixed in obedience and righteousness but rather created in "vanity"...."For the creature was made subject to vanity [King James Margin: "futility"], not willingly, but by reason of Him [God] Who has subjected [Gk: ‘subjects’—aorist tense—subjecting is still going on] the same in hope" (Rom. 8:20)

Rom 8:20 refers to Ge 3:17-19, and not to Ge 1:26.

Vanity-Strongs #3153
1) what is devoid of truth and appropriateness
2)perverseness, depravity
3)frailty, want of vigour
They were were created this way. This is what the Word says, not me. The Word says they sinned even before they ate the fruit. Its right there, i just showed you this and you reject it.

The Genesis account does not say they were created in vanity. It says they were created in the image of God.

Please show me scripture stating man fell [the fall].

God commanded Adam not to eat, and he ate." (Ge 3:11-12)
"Sin entered the world through one man." (Ro 5:12)

Show me scripture that states that Adam was perfect before this fall

"God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him." (Ge 1:22)

and THEN became immutable

"the many died by the trespass of the one man" (Ro 5:15)

Really? So there is no scriptures that say even these "fallen" angels will not be saved also with the rest of all mankind too? If you say "yeah" then i have some scriptures for you that should make you reconsider. Remember you said fixed or immutable as in cannot be changed.

Fallen angels are demons. The demons cannot be saved from the wrath of God.

A remedy has be offered to all of Gods creation and that is Jesus. Again i can show you scriptures.

The only thing that has to be is what God ordained.

Ahh so in otherwords, you believe in freewill and that God doesnt have the power to make "every knee bow to Him and call Him Lord"? Then the scriptures are not true because it says that "no one can call Jesus Lord except by the Holy Spirit" and since EVERY KNEE will bow, as it says, and will call Him Lord then NOT EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND CALL HIM LORD. Do you see it?
You believe there is a contradiction in scripture ad therefore believe God is a liar.

Two diffferent things are being spoken of here.
The first (calling Jesus Lord by the Holy Spirit) refers to the time of the gospel, before the curtain of time descends.
The second (every knee bowing) refers to the end of time, when all will acknowlege that Jesus Christ is Lord, whether willingly (the redeemed) or
unwillingly (the damned). For God is Judge, and he will be vindicated when he judges.

This all stems from the doctrine of freewill [which is a blatant doctrine calling God a liar] which brings forth soooooo many other false teachings like hell, trinity, people or anything able to reject God and God doesnt have the power, knowledge and the ability to make them follow Him.
My bad then.
Really? How many should i quote. I quoted one already and you dont believe that one so if i quote hundreds will that change your mind? How about just this one
"And Jesus said, Are ye [all of you] also yet without understanding?Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever enters in at the mouth goes into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth FROM THE HEART; and they defile the man.For out of THE HEART proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man" (Matt. 15:16-20).
So what does all this stuff have to do with Mother Eve’s sin in the garden? A lot—everything. The Apostle John classifies all sins into just three categories under one heading. Three categories of sin"Love NOT the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father IS NOT IN HIM. For [for means ‘because’] ALL that is in the world, the lust of the FLESH, the lust of the EYES and the pride of LIFE, is not of the Father, but is of the world.And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God abides for ever" (I John 2:15-17).
Now what was i showed you in earlier posts about her sinning before she even ate the fruit?"And when the woman saw that the tree was GOOD FOR FOOD… Gen. 3:6:…lust of the FLESH…" (I John 2:15) and that it was PLEASANT TO THE EYES… Gen. 3:6:
"…lust of the EYES…" (I John 2:15) and a tree to be DESIRED TO MAKE ONE WISE Gen. 3:6: "…the PRIDE OF LIFE" (I John 2;15) Eve committed EVERY CATEGORY OF SIN THERE IS IN THE WORLD, before… BEFORE she actually ate of the forbidden fruit.

Need more?

Adam and Ever were not immutable, they were not unchangeable, they were not fixed in righteousness and obedience before they sinned.
They were mutable, able to change, able to sin, just as the angels in heaven were mutable and able to sin.
After sinning, they were no longer mutable, no longer able to change--back to righteousness and holiness.
They were immutable, unable to change, fixed in rebellion and sin.

AK4, your methodolgy and exegesis are from a system other than orthodox Christianity,
where there is much misunderstanding and misapplication of the Scriptures, which would require volumes to correct.
But you are now entrenched in this sytem, so that even volumes would not dislodge you.
And I am not the one for the task, so I will limit myself to smaller tasks with you.
Thanks for your efforts.

P.S. The icon at the top is a mistroke of the key that was not noticed before posting, and is not intended to communicate displeasure.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The KJV isnt a bad translation except for some and certain places.

Perhaps from the KJV someone can explain:

Philemon verse 8

Genesis 25v29

Leviticus 26v16

Isaiah 14v23

 

[AK4]

Rom 8:20 refers to Ge 3:17-19, and not to Ge 1:26.

By that logic then 1 John 4:8 "God is Love" only refers to the few/elect/chosen who will be saved in this age and the rest will....well take your pick of religious garbage out there and apply it to your god because in them he is not love [in context]

The Genesis account does not say they were created in vanity. It says they were created in the image of God.
"God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him." (Ge 1:22)

Okay i showed you that we were not created as in finished product but that "creating is He humanity" into His image. I showed plainly this so apparently you just dont believe the Word. What can i say then?

God commanded Adam not to eat, and he ate." (Ge 3:11-12)
"Sin entered the world through one man." (Ro 5:12)

Now in light of the Genesis verse i showed you have the hebrew states it and this Romans verse, where do you see that Adam was perfect and then fell? God is making man into His spiritual image and its very obvious that no one in the history of mankind save One has been in His image yet you still hold to this teaching of a fall. Can someone in the image of God sin? Then what would that say about God? Think about it

Fallen angels are demons. The demons cannot be saved from the wrath of God.

Can anyone besides the elect and chosen, the few, be saved from the wrath of God? No. Is the wrath of God to last for forever and ever, for eternity, eternal? Remember those words aion/aionis/olam?

The only thing that has to be is what God ordained.

Correct and He commissioned His Son to be the SAviour of the world and what is in this world? ALL Mankind, demons,"fallen" angels, angels, yes and even Satan. Jesus will save ALL.

Two diffferent things are being spoken of here.
The first (calling Jesus Lord by the Holy Spirit) refers to the time of the gospel, before the curtain of time descends.
The second (every knee bowing) refers to the end of time, when all will acknowlege that Jesus Christ is Lord, whether willingly (the redeemed) or
unwillingly (the damned). For God is Judge, and he will be vindicated when he judges.

Oh man, so now theres the teaching that this is the only time anyone can be saved and those who are judged by God will not repent and that God either tortures them to death [oops i mean forever] or annihilates them, all the while those who read this in Isaiah 26:9 "for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL learn righteousness." So another false statement then in the bible because
1. when God judges them they wont learn righteousness (Abraham believed and it was accredited to him righteousness. You catch that "he believed and accredited righteousness", so then those catching these jugdments WILL BELIEVE and be accredited righteousness) but according to you they will bow their knee, BELIEVE God is God, God will not accredit them with righteousness and they will perish forever.
2. Oh in that verse, "the inhabitants of the WORLD", well these people will be in hell or somewhere else, so they cant be the ones who catch the judgments of God so they wont be the ones who learn righteousness
3.Those unwilling, according to you, will catch the wrath of God forever and never have hope again to have God save them, sooooooo if they are in hell and they cry out for what Jesus said "that living water that He gives freely that gives life, all one has to do is ask for it [paraprhased]" basically Jesus will spit in their face and say no my mercy for you has ended. Wow what a saviour huh?

Adam and Ever were not immutable, they were not fixed in righteousness and obedience before they sinned.

so they werent perfect, so it looks like God would have to put them through a process to be making them into His image

They were mutable, able to change, able to sin, just as the angels in heaven were mutable and able to sin.

So does this sound like the image of God to you?

After sinning, they were no longer mutable, no longer able to change--back to righteousness and holiness. They were immutable, fixed in rebellion and sin.

Thus the need for God and Jesus.

AK4, your methodolgy and exegesis are from a system other than orthodox Christianity,

yes its from the scriptures and truth

where there is much misunderstanding and misapplication of the Scriptures, which would require volumes to correct.

so just look at what you said above and what i said. You said and say Adam and Eve were "mutable, able to change, able to sin, just as the angels in heaven were mutable and able to sin." And God created them in His image and this is HIs image. I do not say this at all. I say it is a process, that there were not created but as the scripture says "is BEING created into His image".

But you are now entrenched in this sytem, so that even volumes would not dislodge you.
And I am not the one for the task, so I will limit myself to smaller tasks with you.
Thanks for your efforts.

It was honest debate, i know your beliefs because i used to believe it too before being showed the truth, so i thank you also and i know the feeling

 

[AK4]

Perhaps from the KJV someone can explain:

Philemon verse 8

Genesis 25v29

Leviticus 26v16

Isaiah 14v23

Why just the KJV on these?

 

[smokydot]

Regarding post #707 from URAVIP2ME:

Perhaps from the KJV someone can explain:
Philemon verse 8
Genesis 25v29
Leviticus 26v16
Isaiah 14v23

I will do Lev 26:16.

This is part of the covenant curses in vv.14-39 (see Dt 28:15-68) which they would bring on themselves by disobedience.
The curse of v.16 is terror, bodily diseases--wasting (chronic) diseases, fever that will destroy their sight and drain away their life,
and famine--sowing seed in vain.

And I'll also do the others.

Phm 8 -- Paul is pleading with Philemon to take his runaway slave, Onesimus, back, and not to punish him, but to receive him as a brother in Christ, because he had been converted while a runaway.
Paul makes 14 arguments on Onesimus' behalf, the second of which is:
v.8 -- "Wherefore, I might be much bold in Christ to enjoin thee that which is convenient. . ."

Paul, the apostle, is pointing out his authority. The apostles under Christ had great power in the Church for edification.
They could require the ministers and the members to do what was fit, and the apostles were to be obeyed in these church matters.
Paul is putting Philemon in mind that it was within the scope of his power to require Philemon not to punish Onesimus,
but in this case he would not use his power, he would rely on his personal request to him.

Ge 25:29 -- "And Jacob sod pottage: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint."
Jacob was cooking some stew, and Esau came in famished.

Is 14:23 -- "I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the Lord of hosts."
God will turn it into a place for owls and into a swampland: he will sweep it with the broom of destruction.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Can someone in the image of God sin?

Yes, Consider for example, a seed, has the image of the fruit, hidden in it. it has potential to become a perfect fruit.
Now, if this seed is planted in a good soil, and then it is watered and protected, then it becomes a tree and eventually turns to a good fruit (Perfection)

But Now the same seed which had the image of the fruit hidden in it, may not grow at all and eventually die (Sin)

God created men in His own image, now if the soil of the heart is good, and if it is watered by the clouds of loving kindness, then that seed in the heart of man shall grow and the good fruits which are the reflection of the image of attributes of God, will make manifest. though, it is possible at any time the growth of the seed to the tree stop and die.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why just the KJV on these?

answer on Post #707

in reply to: KJV isn't bad in except for some and certain places

Those 'some or certain places' are not readily clear and need explaining.
Such as the examples posted.

 

[smokydot]

Not if the translation obfuscates the original meaning.

Haven't seen you here in a while. Would like your response to the following posts addressed to you:

Post #621 - exegesis of 1 Co 11:31-32 regarding judgment = punishment (chastisement)

Post #637 - what "feelings" should be invoked by parables on mustard seed, hidden treasure, pearl of great price, four kinds of soils

Post #668 - meaning of the parable of the leaven

Post #670 - applying "death is corruption" to Jesus' death

 

[AK4]

Yes, Consider for example, a seed, has the image of the fruit, hidden in it. it has potential to become a perfect fruit.
Now, if this seed is planted in a good soil, and then it is watered and protected, then it becomes a tree and eventually turns to a good fruit (Perfection)

But Now the same seed which had the image of the fruit hidden in it, may not grow at all and eventually die (Sin)

God created men in His own image, now if the soil of the heart is good, and if it is watered by the clouds of loving kindness, then that seed in the heart of man shall grow and the good fruits which are the reflection of the image of attributes of God, will make manifest. though, it is possible at any time the growth of the seed to the tree stop and die.

You are bringing God down to man. If God is perfect and if something was truly made in His image, then that something is perfect. Perfection does not sin. Sin actually means a missing of the mark, a mistake. God cannot sin,cannot miss the mark, cannot make mistakes.

But the teaching of freewill teaches that God sinned and sins all the time. The fall teaching teaches God sinned. It teaches that all that God tried to do failed, from lucifer to the demons to Adam to the nation of israel to almost all of mankind.

If the Hebrew words actually said that God MADE as in a done, finished action then i would have no argument but instead it states it as a continuing action so this proves that man was not all the way created in His image but that God is STILL CREATING us in His image. Further proof is what we actually see, mankind, starting from Adam and Eve is far being truly in HIs image, save one.

"And saying is God, Make WILL WE [a continuing action] humanity in Our image…"
and
"And CREATING [a continuing action] is God humanity in His image" (Gen. 1:26a & 27a Concordant Literal Old Testament),
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[InvestigateTruth]

You are bringing God down to man. If God is perfect and if something was truly made in His image, then that something is perfect. Perfection does not sin.

You seem to ignore the parable of the seed having the image of the fruit perfectly hidden in it. Though this example has root in Bible.

Ok, let me give you another parable. The Sun's image is reflected in a perfect mirror perfectly. The Image of attributes of God is reflected in the mirror of the heart. But if the mirror of the heart is clean then it perfectly reflects the image of God. if not, how could it reflect the image perfectly? It still can reflect to certain amount.

I think you are confusing image of God with God. Those are like The Sun and the mirror. This is what was intended when He said; I created men in the image of God.
Therefore we need to keep the heart clean, so the attributes of God is reflected. The cleaner the better it reflects the image of God.

Note how cleanness of heart and being sinless show the same truth.

For the Sun to manifest in the Mirror, the Sun doesn't move down to mirror. For God to manifest in man, God doesn't move down either.

 

[AK4]

You seem to ignore the parable of the seed having the image of the fruit perfectly hidden in it. Though this example has root in Bible.

Ok, let me give you another parable. The Sun's image is reflected in a perfect mirror perfectly. The Image of attributes of God is reflected in the mirror of the heart. But if the mirror of the heart is clean then it perfectly reflects the image of God. if not, how could it reflect the image perfectly? It still can reflect to certain amount.

I think you are confusing image of God with God. Those are like The Sun and the mirror. This is what was intended when He said; I created men in the image of God.
Therefore we need to keep the heart clean, so the attributes of God is reflected. The cleaner the better it reflects the image of God.

Note how cleanness of heart and being sinless show the same truth.

For the Sun to manifest in the Mirror, the Sun doesn't move down to mirror. For God to manifest in man, God doesn't move down either.

I get the parable. Let me tell you what i can see in this parable--the teaching of freewill/free choice/free moral agency. None of these are supported by the scriptures though.

In your parable it is saying God create the seed and in the seed is the ability to do good/choose good etc etc all by himself because God put it in it, because being in the image of God it can freely do these things without Gods interferring with its choice because God created it to be able to choose by itself good or evil.

Also the scriptures directly teaches differently about us having a cleanness of heart apart from Him directly doing it Himself to us, so "no man can boast" is what the scriptures say.

 

[kaisersose]

AK4,

About Your signature.

You say question everything. But it looks like you are presupposing (and not questioning) the existence of a Truth. Sounds to me like your questions are limited to only determining what that truth is.

I could be wrong, of course.

 

[ellenjanuary]

If you paraphrase the tao - the god of which can be spoken is not the eternal god...
If you understand as a prophet speaks - at that time, he is the vessel most filled with the spirit...
If you understand the being of the father through the life of the son...
And understand that the last teacher is finished before the first student has begun...
Then speak to me of the first commandment - thou shall have no god before me -
And I shall hear -
The true name of god is you.

It's the only answer that makes any sense.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I get the parable. Let me tell you what i can see in this parable--the teaching of freewill/free choice/free moral agency. None of these are supported by the scriptures though.

In your parable it is saying God create the seed and in the seed is the ability to do good/choose good etc etc all by himself because God put it in it, because being in the image of God it can freely do these things without Gods interferring with its choice because God created it to be able to choose by itself good or evil.

Also the scriptures directly teaches differently about us having a cleanness of heart apart from Him directly doing it Himself to us, so "no man can boast" is what the scriptures say.

I think I see where you are coming from.
What I'm saying is this:

the Soil is the Soil of Heart.

the Seeds are the Seeds of knowledge of God planted in the soil of the heart of mankind, through the teachings in Revelations of God.

the Water, is the Water of loving kindness of God, which is always there.

Now, we need to make the soil of the heart good by our own free will. We have the free will to do that. and that's why God expects us. Once we do that, then the seeds will turn to fruits.

The fruits are attributes of God manifested in the heart of men.
Attributes of God, like truthfulness, kindness, patience, loving, forgiving, generosity, mercifulness, knowing, fairness, just and etc.

 

[AK4]

AK4,

About Your signature.

You say question everything. But it looks like you are presupposing (and not questioning) the existence of a Truth. Sounds to me like your questions are limited to only determining what that truth is.

I could be wrong, of course.

I questioned till i came to a truth. I questioned and keep questioning that truth and the more i keep questioning it the more this truth i have come to keeps proving itself to be the truth.

Notice that at the end i say question that truth that in the end it will confirm that truth. Well it also applies the other way around. It could possibly destroy all that you used to think as the truth if you found something false with what you thought was the truth at first. And so you would have to start all over again.

This is what had happened to me with my christainity and world beliefs that i THOUGHT was the truth for maybe 20 some odd years and then when i came to the truth my world was turned upside down. It was like coming out of a dream world, a movie, one great big giant lie. Just wait, this will happen to everyone in their own way because this the way the scriptures say it will be for everyone. The few [elect/chosen] will experience this in this age. The many [wicked/unbelieving/everyone else whoever been born] will experience this in the Great White Throne judgment/lake of fire/second death. Yet the good news, the gospel, is.....well this verse among hundreds maybe thousands from scripture says it all....

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]1Co 3:15 - If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. [/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Too bad christainity teaches the opposite of Gods truths. To them this verse is a lie.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]BTW My signature, i dont just apply it to the scriptures, it is to everything in the world.[/FONT]