Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?

[search the scriptures]

why?

did Jesus say to the devil:

Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

But not rebuke anyone who worships him??

 

[search the scriptures]

"We hear of no contradictions in the bible, yet denominations have different interpretations based on these scriptures. So how can there be no contradictions?"

1+2+4=7 7 means complete

1+2-1+4=6 6 is incomplete 1 number short

1+2+1+4=8 8 is overdone 1 number long

 

[ellenjanuary]

I AM. Exodus 3:14, how hard is that?

Kidding, but not... in the sense that, I do not care what you believe, I AM.

Goes like this: Jesus (and his ilk) have a tendency to address both their immediate audiences, and destiny. A simple duality that produces a bunch of unnecessary complexity; but eye-of-the-needle, and all that. To know the Christ is to be the Christ (or the Buddha, or the Gandhi, Mohammed, Lao tzu); but once you get there? I AM.

But to answer the question, the Holy Spirit. The only way to come to terms with "the one true god" in life is through the Holy Spirit; that is what I get out of the entire Bible without quoting a lot of chapter and verse, because no man can speak outside the context of his audience. Do a bunch of data mining, you might become a mining engineer; heck, you might even become a respected Christian scholar, but you ain't gonna know nothing. To know of these things, to have others know of them through you; only occurs through the Holy Spirit.

 

[search the scriptures]

Isa 60:16 thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

 

[lockyfan]

Up until you said the free will thing, i could go with the analogy, it wasnt too bad. But the freewill thing, well what i find with most people is that they really dont know what freewill means.

Heres how its defined

2. The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.


Do you see the problem with believing in a God who says He will do this to and for and IN YOU and this definition of freewill? It directly contradicts the scriptures and this teaching of freewill is directly against God. You cant believe in freewill and believe in the God of Jesus. It just doesnt work, it doesnt mix, yet this is the teaching of the world, this is the teaching of almost all religions, this is the teaching of christainity.

BTW We dont have freewill/free choice/free moral agency. We do have the ability to make choices but none are free, free from external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will. This is proven scripturally and scientifically.

Thats the worldsdefinition of free will. You can freely choose with your own mind if you want to buy a car, house, boat, serve God, satan or whatever. Thats the definition, to be able to make a decision on all the facts aroun you and make your own mind up! Not external force MAKES you make achoice, you still have the ability to THINK for YOZURSELF therefore, you have free will.

 

[search the scriptures]

"Do you see the problem with believing in a God who says He will do this to and for and IN YOU and this definition of freewill?"

but only if you allow him to. name 1 person who is saved by rejection of christ(biblically).

trust in christ alone = salvation If you reject you will be judged by your own efforts by his Law.

accept mercy and grace or accept judgment for your actions. mercy and grace by god or justice paid by you.

" We dont have freewill/free choice/free moral agency. We do have the ability to make choices but none are free, free from external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will. This is proven scripturally and scientifically."

you diddnt choose to post this freely of your own desire? you can decide your own fate wiith God.
you can only choose from the options avalible. Just because he knows what you will choose does not make him decide your fate what you choose can bring consequences. you can only choose what to do with what is here. and what is possible. to be free will there must be more than 1 option for you to freely choose. what you choose has effects.

the bible teaches free will under law. salvation gives mercy and grace from being judged by the law. meaning you dont have to be condemned by the law, but are made free from the law.
that is why the bible says the truth shall set you free. God is judge.
without law there would be no consequences. without consequences who will stop somone from killing who he wants? without law would the world be less peacful?

divine will is all to be saved, and have eternal life. do all have that? who chooses the option of divine will? what you see as fate I see as mercy or justice by law.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[ellenjanuary]

"We hear of no contradictions in the bible, yet denominations have different interpretations based on these scriptures. So how can there be no contradictions?"

1+2+4=7 7 means complete

1+2-1+4=6 6 is incomplete 1 number short

1+2+1+4=8 8 is overdone 1 number long

Eight is actually the female number of completeness...

 

[search the scriptures]

"Eight is actually the female number of completeness..."

intresting. but in my post it is not. seven is the number of complete- genderless

 

[ninerbuff]

"We hear of no contradictions in the bible, yet denominations have different interpretations based on these scriptures. So how can there be no contradictions?"

1+2+4=7 7 means complete

1+2-1+4=6 6 is incomplete 1 number short

1+2+1+4=8 8 is overdone 1 number long

Actually the last one adds up correctly. What are you trying to say here? That some denominations only get part of it right? If that's the case the the ANSWER is still wrong.

 

[search the scriptures]

"Actually the last one adds up correctly. What are you trying to say here? That some denominations only get part of it right? If that's the case the the ANSWER is still wrong."

what I am saying is people look at the bible and either add to, take from, or dont look at it in full.

 

[Blackheart]

To pronounce Jesus as God sounds like blasphemey to me. Where do people even get this from? Where in the scriputres does Jesus say 'I am God'? If you cant find it then you better stop saying it.

 

[ellenjanuary]

To pronounce Jesus as God sounds like blasphemey to me. Where do people even get this from? Where in the scriputres does Jesus say 'I am God'? If you cant find it then you better stop saying it.

That from you? John 8:58 before Abraham was, I AM?

 

[Ronald]

That from you? John 8:58 before Abraham was, I AM?

The correct translation of GE.3:14 is "I shall be as I shall be. There is no I am in Hebrew.
Kinda messes with your Greek I am doesn't it.
Many witnesses biblically say God is one. man says he is three, who you gonna trust?
I know, I'm gonna trust the Word of God. "Besides me there is no other god." Hashem speaking.
11 one God/God is one vs God is a multiple BIG FAT ZERO!

It is okay to believe in a triune god, but it is a SIN to teach it with out a shred of evidence. That is the God of the bible. not ba-alim, there are many man made ba-alim.

Take your chances!

 

[atanu]

I AM. Exodus 3:14, how hard is that?

Kidding, but not... in the sense that, I do not care what you believe, I AM.

Goes like this: Jesus (and his ilk) have a tendency to address both their immediate audiences, and destiny. A simple duality that produces a bunch of unnecessary complexity; but eye-of-the-needle, and all that. To know the Christ is to be the Christ (or the Buddha, or the Gandhi, Mohammed, Lao tzu); but once you get there? I AM.

But to answer the question, the Holy Spirit. The only way to come to terms with "the one true god" in life is through the Holy Spirit; that is what I get out of the entire Bible without quoting a lot of chapter and verse, because no man can speak outside the context of his audience. Do a bunch of data mining, you might become a mining engineer; heck, you might even become a respected Christian scholar, but you ain't gonna know nothing. To know of these things, to have others know of them through you; only occurs through the Holy Spirit.

I agree from the perspective of Gita.

...

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That from you? John 8:58 before Abraham was, I AM?

Why did you put 'I AM' in all capitals when in Scripture it is not that way?

Even at Psalm 110v1 the two [2] LORD/Lord's are Not both in all upper case letters. Who are the two LORD/Lord's?

What is the answer to the last question at Proverbs 30v4 ?_______________

 

[ellenjanuary]

The correct translation of GE.3:14 is "I shall be as I shall be. There is no I am in Hebrew.
Kinda messes with your Greek I am doesn't it.
Many witnesses biblically say God is one. man says he is three, who you gonna trust?
I know, I'm gonna trust the Word of God. "Besides me there is no other god." Hashem speaking.
11 one God/God is one vs God is a multiple BIG FAT ZERO!

It is okay to believe in a triune god, but it is a SIN to teach it with out a shred of evidence. That is the God of the bible. not ba-alim, there are many man made ba-alim.

Take your chances!

Dude... you have no idea who you messing with...

Nah. But I went down this three-day journey; like five fat pages, this guy wanted to tell me about tense in Hebrew... that guy got lumped up... you wanna get lumped up? :biglaugh:

Nah... but after all that, you'd have to come over to my house with a procession of wizened ol' Jews... get me to think otherwise.

This is nit-pick, I don't see where we're addressing some serious error; and neither of us are any kinda lost... so, don't mind the jocularity.

There's more than a shred of evidence, can't threaten me with sin, and; come on, do I gotta go 1:26 on ya?

Let us create man in our image?

You know where that comes from, don't ya? It comes - not from gods - but from god being so big, it is as if, a multitude... so, you're gonna tell me, god is gonna allow for his prophets to speak of him as plurality through an aspect of grammar for emphasis; then get uptight when it's all father/son/holy spirit later on?

No. Especially when one knows the real deal - that ambiguity is merely an artifact of mortality.

Besides, that comes outta the Koran. Say not, three...

 

[ellenjanuary]

Why did you put 'I AM' in all capitals when in Scripture it is not that way?

Even at Psalm 110v1 the two [2] LORD/Lord's are Not both in all upper case letters. Who are the two LORD/Lord's?

What is the answer to the last question at Proverbs 30v4 ?_______________

For emphasis, cause I was messing with that guy, in response to another thread... I don't insist either way, Jesus as god or non-god, but from my reading, scripture tells me of a divine Jesus.

That's whether or not the tetragrammaton (caps) is being mentioned, or the general, Lord... same guy.

And, yes.

 

[ninerbuff]

"Actually the last one adds up correctly. What are you trying to say here? That some denominations only get part of it right? If that's the case the the ANSWER is still wrong."

what I am saying is people look at the bible and either add to, take from, or dont look at it in full.

And you could be doing the same. How do you really know? How do you know they are wrong? What proof can any denomination have to say that the belief they follow is ABSOLUTELY correct?

 

[atanu]

---- that ambiguity is merely an artifact of mortality.

Which again is an artifact of ------

Well. I alone understand you. But you do not incentivize with frubals.
...

 

[ellenjanuary]

Which again is an artifact of ------

Well. I alone understand you. But you do not incentivize with frubals.
...

Should have been giving the anti-furballs for me being so dang arrogant.

That post was a riot! When I got into that argument the first time, I was more drinking than certain... and it was like for hours and days and bottles of vodka on the myspace R&P (there's an arrogant place)

It was a "Did Jesus say he was god?" thread... and for like days, I was the Master on the Hill (drunken-chicken style), taking all comers, littering the ground with broken bodies; it was bad!

And that is an artifact of witnessing too much senseless thumping... hadda restore the balance to Bible thumping in da hood... ya, that's it... and it must be restored...

Now, as long as people ain't bothering me about hell; I'm almost like still.