The thought came from Mister Emu, not me.
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Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?
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The thought came from Mister Emu, not me.
Berachiah Ben Yisrael
Active Member
I wouldn't expect "Math games" to override the words of an anointed or the rest of any truly inspired work of the bible even though I could not make the same statement for those writings and letters within said cannon that are not truly inspired. Just as the numbers 3 and 7, as well as other numbers that seem to be aplethorated through out the entirety of the scripture, I like the idea that 1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1=1. I see it as how could anyone believe in a trinity if so many 1s can be put together and still be one? Yahshua even said
Joh 17:11 I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
Joh 17:22 The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, even as we are one;
So if there are 12 disciples then thats 1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1=1 plus the so called 3 which is 1x1x1 with the 1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1=1. WOW!!!!!!!
How simple. Its funny how we, as people, seem to make things so hard when it all is just that simple. So simple that many state that it just cannot be so they dream up all kinds of things and put their own interpretations of the scripture through their own thoughts and feelings or that of others to make it all into something more appealing to them. When, in truth, it isnt hard at all but just that simple.
Hear is a question?
Who speaking in the two verses I posted above? Yahshua himself or the Malach that possessed him?
Beautiful as the words are, I believe that they were not spoken by Jesus himself, but ascribed to him by the author of John.
Berachiah Ben Yisrael
Active Member
And that is your opinion which I respect but do disagree with. I don't believe that Yahshua spoke the words of himself but the malach that possesed him.
What's a malach?
Berachiah Ben Yisrael
Active Member
I like giving references with the answers I give to others when they ask specific questions as to let them know that its not just coming from me. This is why I have chosen to use a program I have on my computer to give you both the Strongs as well as the BDB definition of the word Malach.
Strongs
H4397
מלאך
mal'a^k
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.
H4397
מלאך
mal'a^k
BDB Definition:
1) messenger, representative
1a) messenger
1b) angel
1c) the theophanic angel
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strongs Number: from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1068a
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
So, JW, I guess you're a Christian, huh? You obviously treat even the "churchoids" as Jesus would.theMadJW said:
Somehow, I haven't seen that put-down anywhere in His word or example. Or is it just in the JW Bible? Great example you're setting there.
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Berachiah Ben Yisrael
Active Member
JW,
Could a "churchoid" be considered the same as a pharisee? Or one that pretends to do as is stated in scripture but adds their own thoughts and feelings to somehow make them look self approved and more righteous in front of their peers?
Could a "churchoid" be considered the same as a pharisee? Or one that pretends to do as is stated in scripture but adds their own thoughts and feelings to somehow make them look self approved and more righteous in front of their peers?
ayani
member
i agree that Jesus points to God as being One.
and that Jesus makes a distinction between Himself, and His Father, even as He tells us that He and His Father are One. One in purpose, One in understanding, and One in divinity. he who knows Jesus, knows the Father, and he who hs seen Jesus, has seen the Father. all power on heaven and earth has been give to the Son, including a power nomally reserved for God, the authority to forgive sins. all these things come from Jesus' own mouth in the Gospels, guys.
Jesus prays to His Father, honours Him, worships Him, and returns to Him. He is clear that for us humans, the only way to come to God in a personal, real, fulillng way is through the Son He sent. that Jesus is the One whom God wants us to know personally, and live for.
can a trinitarian Christian do this? absolutely. can a non-trinitarian Christian do this? absolutely, too. what matters is Christ. i've met many born-again trinitarians, and some born-again non-trinitarians, too. in seeking to "return" to a more clearly Judaic / unitarian theology, i feel that many religious bodies which profess Jesus as somehow central really alienate themselves from other Christians. it becomes more about a specific church / culture of worship than about unity in Christ. "Messianic" and "Christian" mean the same thing.
and that Jesus makes a distinction between Himself, and His Father, even as He tells us that He and His Father are One. One in purpose, One in understanding, and One in divinity. he who knows Jesus, knows the Father, and he who hs seen Jesus, has seen the Father. all power on heaven and earth has been give to the Son, including a power nomally reserved for God, the authority to forgive sins. all these things come from Jesus' own mouth in the Gospels, guys.
Jesus prays to His Father, honours Him, worships Him, and returns to Him. He is clear that for us humans, the only way to come to God in a personal, real, fulillng way is through the Son He sent. that Jesus is the One whom God wants us to know personally, and live for.
can a trinitarian Christian do this? absolutely. can a non-trinitarian Christian do this? absolutely, too. what matters is Christ. i've met many born-again trinitarians, and some born-again non-trinitarians, too. in seeking to "return" to a more clearly Judaic / unitarian theology, i feel that many religious bodies which profess Jesus as somehow central really alienate themselves from other Christians. it becomes more about a specific church / culture of worship than about unity in Christ. "Messianic" and "Christian" mean the same thing.
tennis_hero
Member
Trinity in the bible?
Matthew 28
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name* of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
* [not in the "nameS"- notice singular... not plural.... the father, son and holy sprit- i wonder what concept he preached when he said to baptized in the singular name of father, son and holy spirit as one]
do you believe all authority in heaven and Earth was given to just a man who overcame death?
Matthew 28
17When they saw him, they worshiped him
Question- Why didn't Jesus rebuke his OWN followers for worshiping him and not Yahweh- IF he was just a man?
Matthew 28
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name* of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
* [not in the "nameS"- notice singular... not plural.... the father, son and holy sprit- i wonder what concept he preached when he said to baptized in the singular name of father, son and holy spirit as one]
do you believe all authority in heaven and Earth was given to just a man who overcame death?
Matthew 28
17When they saw him, they worshiped him
Question- Why didn't Jesus rebuke his OWN followers for worshiping him and not Yahweh- IF he was just a man?
Berachiah Ben Yisrael
Active Member
ayani
member
Cardero ~
i have to say that the voice given to God in your text, and God as described Biblically are remarkably different.
Biblical theism truly can not be linked to pantheism, advaitic or upanishadic philosophy, monism, or universalism. the Bible, and Christ, describe God as distinct from His creation, and holy. the Bible is clear that God is the only One who is holy- in Him we may live and move and have our being, but we are not Him ourselves, nor can we do what He does.
i have to say that the voice given to God in your text, and God as described Biblically are remarkably different.
Biblical theism truly can not be linked to pantheism, advaitic or upanishadic philosophy, monism, or universalism. the Bible, and Christ, describe God as distinct from His creation, and holy. the Bible is clear that God is the only One who is holy- in Him we may live and move and have our being, but we are not Him ourselves, nor can we do what He does.
cardero
Citizen Mod
I admit, at first this surprised me too, but with some research, comparison and understanding of the Biblical author’s culture and the times that our scriptures were received and documented, it became less surprising.
GOD never came off as Holy, Sacred or Divine in our conversations. He never belittled me. He never expected worship or required special attention from me.
The Bible also expresses a God who is jealous, insecure, angry, vengeful, manipulative, unknowing and spiteful. None of these emotional traits were evident during my REALationship with GOD.
From my understanding there are many people who can live and die without acknowledging GOD’s existence.
There may be a few talents that we can not affect at this moment, in this current physical existence but ignorance and modified human behavior does not excuse the godhood of our spiritual origins, our present physical experience or the purposes of our spiritual afterlife. As history and science has shown us throughout the ages, with imagination and understanding, we are coming ever closer to realizing that we can influence and impress our own reality (sometimes for the better).
theMadJW
Member
Mad:"Possessed" is reading between the lines with the imagination, my friend!
Jehovah/Yahweh spoke thru him, as well as others thru His Spirit- NOT to be confusd with the Holy-Ghost-God of CHURCHianity!
Therefore, if moved by this POWER is being "possessed"- it was Jesus' God doing so!
Berachiah Ben Yisrael
Active Member
Oh, so you don't believe that Yahshua, when purified, was then possesed by a malach which all malacheem that are of Yah are "Holy" or rather "Set apart" spirits or better in the Hebrew, Ruach Ha Chodesh?