Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?

[anthony55]

dp:

You put emphasis on one part of the verse

Thats the part that confirms my point that Jesus is the Only True God, what you expect ?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

dp:



Thats the part that confirms my point that Jesus is the Only True God, what you expect ?

But read in context and in conjunction as to what the biblical Yeshua said in his prayer to his god you have failed at accurately proving your point.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You put emphasis on one part of the verse. By doing that you disrupt the context of the verse. John makes it clear who (him that is true) is. We know this because it's separated by the use of the (even) in the verse. You will find that word being used in this manner in five places before (1John 5:20) and in two other places after (1John 5:20). It's rendered as (even) because it conjoins two separate entities. If you understood this Greek rule you wouldn't make the mistake in thinking that the English gives credence to Yeshua being the true god. Besides this, the verse, even in the English, is very easy to understand. It's not telling you that Yeshua is the one true god. It makes a distinction.
1John 5:20
And we (the faithful) know that the Son (Yeshua) of God (his god YHWH) is come, and hath given us (the faithful) an understanding, that we (the faithful) may know him (YHWH) that is true (see John 17:3), and we (the faithful) are in him (YHWH - see John 17:21) that is true, even in his (YHWH's) son Yeshua Ha Mashiach. This (YHWH) is the true god, and eternal life.
John 17:3 tells the reader that life eternal is to know that YHWH is the true god and to know that "God" sent Yeshua. In order to be sent there must be a sender. He makes the distinction that there is a god who is true and this god sent him. That's pretty much it. He doesn't have to explicitly deny being the true god. The reader should be able to get that when he says ('life eternal is to know that YOU are the true god')....
I have no problem with the verse. What's incorrect is your interpretation and your lack of knowledge of the Greek being used. What you have in that verse is (also). It's another conjunction that makes a distinction between two entities. This is clarified in verse 23.
John 14:23
Yeshua replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
At this point no reader should be under the misconception that the biblical Yeshua believed or taught that he was "God".

Interesting post ^above^ dirty penguin. Thought it was worth repeating.

 

[anthony55]

So according to scripture, Jesus Christ is the True God. 1 Jn 5:20

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

 

[Shermana]

So according to scripture, Jesus Christ is the True God. 1 Jn 5:20

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

So according to scripture, Jesus' Father is the True God.

 

[Blackheart]

Is it 3 Gods in 1?
God-the-Father, God-the-Son, and God-the-Ghost?

Did Jesus HAVE a God?

I dont get it... You ask the question but yet your own answer doesnt even address the question!

There are many entities that claim to be the true God. Why are you wasting this post on your own pre determind conclusion? Id love an answer to the actual question!

 

[waitasec]

So according to scripture, Jesus' Father is the True God.

yup...better get used to it...:sarcastic

 

[Blackheart]

So according to scripture, Jesus' Father is the True God.

So who is Jesus's father?

 

[anthony55]

So according to scripture, Jesus' Father is the True God.

Yes, so I believe both. John writes both in 1 Jn 5:20

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Jn 17:3

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

[anthony55]

So who is Jesus's father?

God the Father. Notice Eph 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

 

[Blackheart]

Yes, so I believe both. John writes both in 1 Jn 5:20

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Jn 17:3

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Dont both of these scriptures say that Jesus is the Son of God?!

 

[anthony55]

Dont both of these scriptures say that Jesus is the Son of God?!

I only see one that says that, thats 1 Jn 5:20, Jesus is the Son of God. But He also is the True God.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So who is Jesus's father?

Jesus father is also his God according to Revelation 3 vs12, 14 B

KJV mentions two [2] LORD/Lord's at Psalm 110v1.

The LORD [YHWH] in all upper case letters is Jesus' father.
The Lord not in all upper case letter refers to Jesus

The tetragrammaton [YHWH] is never applied to Jesus.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Dont both of these scriptures say that Jesus is the Son of God?!

You can go back where I broke the verse down. Trinitarians say Yeshua is "God" even though the "ASCENDED" Yeshua said 4 times in Rev. 3:12 he had a god. Chapters 4 and 5 irrefutably show that The Lamb (Yeshua) and his god are completely separate.....

 

[Blackheart]

I only see one that says that, thats 1 Jn 5:20, Jesus is the Son of God. But He also is the True God.

Dont you think that you shold have clear scriptual evidence for this before you state it as a fact? Are you not afraid that you could be blaspheming?

I mean there is an absolute abundance of evidence that Jesus and the father are two seperate entities. I mean who do you think Jesus was preying to? And where do people get this trinity thing from anyway?

 

[anthony55]

John writes both in 1 Jn 5:20

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

 

[Shermana]

John writes both in 1 Jn 5:20

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Assuming you passed basic English, you are aware that the subject of the sentence is sometimes dependent on the preceding words.

"I took my dogs out to hunt some ducks. I killed all of them."

Who am I referring to, the ducks or the dogs?

 

[kepha31]

You can go back where I broke the verse down. Trinitarians say Yeshua is "God" even though the "ASCENDED" Yeshua said 4 times in Rev. 3:12 he had a god. Chapters 4 and 5 irrefutably show that The Lamb (Yeshua) and his god are completely separate.....

What translation might that be?

A list of scripture citations, (about 130) followed by a brief exegesis, on the Divinity of Christ:

Scripture Catholic - JESUS CHRIST'S DIVINITY - SOME OF MANY EXAMPLES

 

[Shermana]

From your site

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I. Jesus Christ's Witnesses Claim that Jesus is God

John 1:1 - John writes, "the Word was God." This is clear evidence of Jesus Christ's divinity. (Note: in the Jehovah's bible, the passage was changed to "Word was a god." This is not only an embarrassing attempt to deny the obvious divinity of Christ, but it also violates the first commandment and Isaiah 43:10 because it acknowledges that there is more than one God)."

I guess Paul violated this in 2 Corinthians 4:4 when he talks about the Evil one as "The god of this world". I guess Jesus was guilty too when he quoted Psalm 82:6 "you are gods". I guess the Psalmist of 136:2 broke that commandment 2.


The first commandment is to not have any gods BEFORE God, which means to hold the Most High as the Most High, and to call "gods" with the lower case g. "To worship" means to bow down to physically, yet David and Angels were bowed down to. Worshiping God as The Most High, God of the gods (psalm 136:2) is the commandment.



At least your site doesn't try to attack the grammatical correctness of the "a god" reading. It should also be noted, there are versions other than the JW that correctly use "a god", and it should be noted that all the major translations which use "God" were published by Trinitarians. There is no grammatical argument against using it as "a god".

 

[Shermana]

Also from your site, this one's just funny.

John 1:18 - the Greek word for "only-begotten" is "monogenes" which means unique, only member of a kind. It does not mean created.

Oh, looks like they forgot about these parts:

Luke 7:12 ὡς δὲ ἤγγισεν τῇ πύλῃ τῆς πόλεως, καὶ ἰδοὺ ἐξεκομίζετο τεθνηκὼς μονογενὴς υἱὸς τῇ μητρὶ αὐτοῦ καὶ αὐτὴ ἦν χήρα, καὶ ὄχλος τῆς πόλεως ἱκανὸς ἦν σὺν αὐτῇ.
Now when he drew near to the gate of the city, behold, one who was dead was carried out, the only son of his mother, and she was a widow. Many people of the city were with her.

Luke 8:42 ὅτι θυγάτηρ μονογενὴς ἦν αὐτῷ ὡς ἐτῶν δώδεκα καὶ αὐτὴ ἀπέθνῃσκεν. ἐν δὲ τῷ ὑπάγειν αὐτὸν οἱ ὄχλοι συνέπνιγον αὐτόν.
for he had an only daughter, about twelve years of age, and she was dying. But as he went, the multitudes pressed against him.
Adjective: Nominative Singular Feminine
Luke 9:38 καὶ ἰδοὺ ἀνὴρ ἀπὸ τοῦ ὄχλου ἐβόησεν λέγων· διδάσκαλε, δέομαί σου ἐπιβλέψαι ἐπὶ τὸν υἱόν μου, ὅτι μονογενής μοί ἐστιν,
Behold, a man from the crowd called out, saying, "Teacher, I beg you to look at my son, for he is my only child.
Adjective: Nominative Singular Masculine

Hmmm...now do you suppose they just forgot or were being deliberately deceptive?