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Who made God?
- Thread starter Pegg
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McBell
Unbound
Still waiting for you to define "spirit".
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Quantum.
Why not?
It's called cognitive science. Go study it.
All wrong.
So the basic laws of motion are gone?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Make one up.....use your imagination....
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
In the context you are talking about, yes.
St Giordano Bruno
Well-Known Member
I am must more at ease with a universe that created itself and complexity emerges necessarily as matter self organizes through one of its numerous phase transitions, like for instance water crystallizing into complex ice lattices as it freezes as opposed to a complex God responsible for such complexity. You see complexity is quite capable of emerging through its own inherent self organization such as phase transitions rather than an external intelligent designer which of course creates a paradox as to where that complexity came from.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Well.......no.
In my viewpoint....spirit first.
The Creator...then the creation.
Substance needs a push.
McBell
Unbound
If the basic laws of everything can be ignored for your "creator" to not be subject to them, then why not?
I mean, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
McBell
Unbound
So, did the creator need a push or does the creator have no substance?
It sure is. But Isn't 'Father' singular as well? If someone is a father but his father is also a father, wouldn't that make his father the father?
Stop thinking one dimensionally. There's more out there than you know.
St Giordano Bruno
Well-Known Member
Ancient sculptors made God.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Well, yes, father is a singular. Any given person has only one direct father, after all.
It seems to me that this implies that if the theists can't resolve the question of how God can exist uncaused, then there remains a possibility that God is a false god.
If we can't resolve how the universe is here uncaused we must not exist.
McBell
Unbound
Except that there is loads of objective empirical evidence that we exist.If we can't resolve how the universe is here uncaused we must not exist.
God...not so much.
I can find no fault with what Jesus taught.
Jesus believed what was written in the Hebrew Scriptures [John 17v17]
such as Psalm [90v2] that says God is from everlasting to everlasting meaning always existed.
That doesn't answer the question at all.
Simply saying "God always existed" is not an explanation for how it could be possible for God to have always existed.
And "Jesus believed _____" does not necessarily imply "_____ is true".
So... my point holds: until you actually demonstrate that what you claim is true - i.e. until you can demonstrate that "our Creator" cannot have a creator himself - there remains a possibility that your God, even if he exists, is a false god.
We cannot be certain whether or not we have always existed. The only thing we know is that we have not always existed in this form. How any sort of god could be involved is a tough call when we don't know how existence itself came to be.
McBell
Unbound
Yet we not only can be certain we currently exist, but we can be certain that we have existed.
Unlike god.
Who can not even be demonstrated to ever exist beyond human concept.