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Who made God?
- Thread starter Pegg
- Start date
A God who's powerful enough to create himself without existing is also powerful enough to do all the things normally credited to God even if he doesn't exist.
So... if we're going to throw logic to the wind and accept your assertion, then we have no reason to claim that God exists at all, since, apparently, even a non-existent God can do all sorts of stuff, so therefore no matter what we attribute to God, none of it is evidence for his existence.
It is hard to answer where we came from but we know that we, as in humans, are caused to be here. Whether the universe is caused to be here or is here just by chance might answer more specifically the nature of god if there is a god. I can't imagine a god that is just here by chance but a god that is in relation to the universe is a bit easier to concieve. Sure it is just a concept and I highly doubt a god that is just part of everything can be demonstrated other than just pointing to any of existence.
The sentence is fine as it stands, but one suspects that you use the term 'caused' to suggest 'intended' and that, of course, is a much different assertion.
Intended would be a different conversation but I did mention that such a thing would be very hard to prove if "god is just part of everything". I was more talking about the fact that we see the domino effect but don't know how the domino effect got here in the first place. Hard to even say if answering such a question would prove or disprove various concepts of god.
McBell
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Really?
And how do we "as humans" KNOW that we are CAUSED to be here?
Arguments from incredulity do not impress outside the choir.
You reject causation?
Cause I know humans aren't uncaused.
Saying "I can't imagine" wasn't the point of my argument. Whether or not it can be imagined I figure the universe is caused or uncaused so god would be in the same boat unless I'm missing some inbetween solution.
McBell
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McBell
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Relevance?
I'm trying to understand your question.
Again, I distinguish between 'caused' and 'intended'. In a causal world, I assume we are 'caused' to be here; I have no reason to presume intent.
McBell
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Ah.
I understand.
I took the use of the word caused to mean intended.
That is what I was basing my question on.
Thanks ...
McBell
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No problem.
I saw in post 385 where the distinction was made that revealed my assumed assumption was assumed incorrectly.
McBell
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Wow.
That sentence sounded so much better in my head....
Why can't we just say that God has eternal parents? Wouldn't that make more sense?
Who created God's parents ?
How can the [singular] Creator be anything but the Creator ?
His parents.
Because the Creator had parents of His own. It only makes sense.