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Who makes the most sense in this discussion?
- Thread starter Notanumber
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My work has YouTube blocked. Can you give a summary?
What is the 'British Gymnastic'? What event is this discussion discussing?
***edit*** someone named Louis Smith.
***edit*** someone named Louis Smith.
I voted for Melanie, but only because I can find humor in just about everything. I honestly don't understand the Muslim predisposition to take themselves so seriously. In my experience, even the most devout Christians and Jews I've met both IRL and on the interwebz can poke fun at their own beliefs.
Man has a sense of humor. God created man in his image (admittedly, not sure if the Quran teaches this as well). Wouldn't it make sense that since man has a sense of humor that God would as well?
Man has a sense of humor. God created man in his image (admittedly, not sure if the Quran teaches this as well). Wouldn't it make sense that since man has a sense of humor that God would as well?
Outside of debate and moderated discussions, practising Muslims do not mock other faiths, nor do we flock to the big screen to watch blasphemous remakes of Biblical stories. In that respect we have every right to ask others not to mock our beliefs.
We welcome questions and banter, but there's a clear line differentiating between genuine questions/disbelief of events and mocking, ridicule/attacks.
We welcome questions and banter, but there's a clear line differentiating between genuine questions/disbelief of events and mocking, ridicule/attacks.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Verbal attacks are much better than physical attacks. For those that believe, Jesus preached to turn the other cheek, which is one of the best things he ever preached.
As an atheist, I could not care what any faith says about my beliefs. I am confident that atheism is robust enough to cope with any form of mocking.
Sorry, but seeing how the Qur'an has specific claims about the flaws of other faiths and why that makes their followers less worthy than Muslims, I just don't see how you can expect anyone who has done the homework to take this seriously.
Roshan is graceful, seeing how he has no choice but to be rolled over by both the mediator and by Melanie.
No ifs, ands or buts. This video shows a complete, demoralizing victory of Melanie over Roshan.
Roshan shows a flawed understanding of "intolerance" and what may well be a deep, unconscious bias towards protecting the reputation of Islaam no matter what. He also shows what I consider to be a bad understanding of democratic institutions. In the last minute or so he has myself wondering how delusional exactly he is.
At times he seems to be all-out confused, or perhaps set on selling his bias at all costs. And I no longer have any patience for this insistence on presenting Muslims as victims for no reason, hiding behind the mythical word "Islamophobia" and the like.
Frankly, it is well past time to outgrow such childish, capricious ways.
For a right-winger, Melanie is remarkably reasonable in this video. She does not even use any effort to show her points.
Sadly, there is no surprise in the video, except perhaps on how reasonable this supposed right-winger seems to be.
No ifs, ands or buts. This video shows a complete, demoralizing victory of Melanie over Roshan.
Roshan shows a flawed understanding of "intolerance" and what may well be a deep, unconscious bias towards protecting the reputation of Islaam no matter what. He also shows what I consider to be a bad understanding of democratic institutions. In the last minute or so he has myself wondering how delusional exactly he is.
At times he seems to be all-out confused, or perhaps set on selling his bias at all costs. And I no longer have any patience for this insistence on presenting Muslims as victims for no reason, hiding behind the mythical word "Islamophobia" and the like.
Frankly, it is well past time to outgrow such childish, capricious ways.
For a right-winger, Melanie is remarkably reasonable in this video. She does not even use any effort to show her points.
Sadly, there is no surprise in the video, except perhaps on how reasonable this supposed right-winger seems to be.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Islam lives in a glasshouse. It does not want to engage in mockery because it knows it would be a shattering experience. It would far rather close down any debate by calling it blasphemy or islamophobia.
On the contrary, Islam is very robust and able to deal with any mockery, but as we know, sadly not all Muslims are able to give a verbal/civilised response.
Seeing as you claim to have studied Islam, I'm surprised you forgot the following:
O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers. Qur'an 49:11
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. Qur'an 49:12
And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do. Qur'an 6:108
The Prophet pbuh told Muslims to stand in silence when the dead were carried to their places of rest, no matter what faith they followed.
Notanumber
A Free Man
“History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”
De Lacy O’Leary, Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923 p 8.
You would do well to pick up a real History book and study.
Here's Zakir Naik breaking down myths spread by the ignorant:
"Our current hypothesis about Mahomet, that he was a scheming Impostor, a Falsehood incarnate, that his religion is a mere mass of quackery and fatuity, begins really to be now untenable to any one. The lies, which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man, are disgraceful to ourselves only." Thomas Carlyle
I am well aware of how confusing and all-out contradictory the Qur'an can be.
One of several reasons why I would never be a Muslim.
Notanumber
A Free Man
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That he is!
Rather than attack the man's lack of experience from his early days, why not 'attempt' to refute what he says in the video.
The confusion is on your part alone.
Islam is the only religion acceptable to GOD, the fundamental core beliefs are found in other religions, with those adhering to them amongst the successful in the hereafter. Despite this, we ALL come from the last Adam and Eve pbut, as such we are to be tolerant, respectful and good to one another regardless of religion, race or creed. Those hoping to gain GOD's mercy in the hereafter are reminded in this life to forgive others, show mercy and compassion, even in the most testing of circumstances:
Never mind, you can reflect on your decisions in life whilst you are laying in your grave. Muslims are only required to deliver the message and answer questions to the best of their abilities.