who or what created god

[The Wizard]

believers always claim there must be a god, what else could have created all things.
what then created god?

And why play faith based games rather then just showing him or herself.

If god is so intelligent, surely all religions would be accepted by him as he would understand our ignorance in following the wrong one and judge us on our behaviour, not our choice of worship.

If he is so choosy about what we follow that would indicate he has a large ego that needs worshiping to satisfy him, further indicating he is imperfect.

If there is a god who kwows all it would be foolish to think we can begin to understand him, behave in a manner that never hurts or effects others and surely he should be pleased.

If we faulter common sense should tell mankind that a god of such wisdom should understand we cannot help it as we are ignorant.

I would have to concure with the statement that The Creator is eternal. When this Universe fizzes out and implodes into another big bang there will once again be concious beings walking around believing in the Creator, ad indinitum.... Conclusion- the belief in a God, gods or a Prime Creator is eternal. If one is atheist then even they must conclude the aferlife is plausable. Concious beings evolve to live indefinately, immortally... How long would it be until one of them says "Hey, lets give the good ones an afterlife."? And, with their superior technology they invent a way to do it. See, there is just no escape in being evil in this life and sneaking past a review, whether by the God path or ultamite atheist path.. so sorry.... not...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

believers always claim there must be a god, what else could have created all things.
what then created god?

I get so tired of tiresome and thoughtless reruns.​

It's a silly straw man argument.

The claim is not that all things must be created, but that all nature is caused. Therefore, either there is no first cause or that first cause is preternatural.

 

[Storm]

believers always claim there must be a god, what else could have created all things.
what then created god?

As a (heno-) panentheist, I believe another Godiverse Created ours.

And why play faith based games rather then just showing him or herself.

If god is so intelligent, surely all religions would be accepted by him as he would understand our ignorance in following the wrong one and judge us on our behaviour, not our choice of worship.

If he is so choosy about what we follow that would indicate he has a large ego that needs worshiping to satisfy him, further indicating he is imperfect.

If there is a god who kwows all it would be foolish to think we can begin to understand him, behave in a manner that never hurts or effects others and surely he should be pleased.

If we faulter common sense should tell mankind that a god of such wisdom should understand we cannot help it as we are ignorant.

N/A. The Creator is outside the bounds of our reality and capacity to perceive. Maybe it cares about us, maybe not, but it isn't playing peek-a-boo.

As for our own God, it's still non-applicable. God doesn't reach out to anyone. Rather, humans must undergo a radical paradigm shift in modes of consciousness to perceive it. It's all us.

 

[9Westy9]

its beyond us, religion will not explain where god came from, science cannot explain what caused the beginning of all.
you cannot create something from nothing, so scientist and religious scholars can only go back so far in there explenations

This is a much better question than the OP IMO. We can't know for sure what the original cause was

 

[Storm]

This is a much better question than the OP IMO. We can't know for sure what the original cause was

That was a question?

 

[9Westy9]

That was a question?

in my eyes

 

[idav]

The universe is not eternal.

It has a start which is around 13 billion years ago

Anything which has a start is by definition not eternal

Only the "Cause" for bringing the universe into existence is Eternal

Nobody knows that anything started they just calculate expansion backwards to a single point but I don't think that. It would be like saying that 14 billion years ago 20 cars started driving in different directions away from each other. Then when we try to calculate backwards the cars become an infinite point where the cars just magically sprang from when the fact is we don't even know how the cars got there or where the parts of the car came from, we only know when they started driving based on their speed and distances.

First cause is what? Either eternal or came from nothing? The parts could have been their all along just like people like to claim of their god or the parts came from nothing like people like to claim of their god.

 

[outhouse]

its beyond us, religion will not explain where god came from, science cannot explain what caused the beginning of all.
you cannot create something from nothing, so scientist and religious scholars can only go back so far in there explenations

No it was us.

Man created god in my opinion.

man has a long longhistory of creating deities, why, with the history of this god concept that we have, would you think its any different.???

 

[outhouse]

Nobody knows that anything started they just calculate expansion backwards to a single point but I don't think that. It would be like saying that 14 billion years ago 20 cars started driving in different directions away from each other. Then when we try to calculate backwards the cars become an infinite point where the cars just magically sprang from when the fact is we don't even know how the cars got there or where the parts of the car came from, we only know when they started driving based on their speed and distances.

First cause is what? Either eternal or came from nothing? The parts could have been their all along just like people like to claim of their god or the parts came from nothing like people like to claim of their god.

no one really calims much other then expansion, the expansion was the beginning of what would form our universe. We know by the background, what we can observe. That the beginning was void of all life due to temperature

 

[cablescavenger]

believers always claim there must be a god, what else could have created all things.
what then created god?

And why play faith based games rather then just showing him or herself.

If god is so intelligent, surely all religions would be accepted by him as he would understand our ignorance in following the wrong one and judge us on our behaviour, not our choice of worship.

If he is so choosy about what we follow that would indicate he has a large ego that needs worshiping to satisfy him, further indicating he is imperfect.

If there is a god who kwows all it would be foolish to think we can begin to understand him, behave in a manner that never hurts or effects others and surely he should be pleased.

If we faulter common sense should tell mankind that a god of such wisdom should understand we cannot help it as we are ignorant.

I think God is from a broken home, no one seems to know who God's parents are.
That might explain God's ambivalence to death and destruction. It must have been a tough break.

 

[outhouse]

I think God is from a broken home, no one seems to know who God's parents are.
That might explain God's ambivalence to death and destruction. It must have been a tough break.

Not really true my friend and this is a valid historically known point.

El was the father of Yahweh. They were known as a family of gods early hebrews worshipped.

what I find weird is how some say Asherah was married to both.

 

[waitasec]

The universe is not eternal.

says you...

It has a start which is around 13 billion years ago

Anything which has a start is by definition not eternal

Only the "Cause" for bringing the universe into existence is Eternal

well as far as we know maybe the big bang was really a big supernova [youtube]RgfbjHz_UTo[/youtube]
supernova explosion - YouTube

 

[Jainarayan]

believers always claim there must be a god, what else could have created all things.
what then created god?

Why would anyone think that something created God? How can that which exists create itself?

Read this, but have some Tylenol handy... uh, for the headache you will get trying to comprehend it: http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/brahman_duality.asp

 

[idav]

no one really calims much other then expansion, the expansion was the beginning of what would form our universe. We know by the background, what we can observe. That the beginning was void of all life due to temperature

The beginning as you call it, was the beginning of the current state of the universe which is why I have a problem with using the word "beginning". What was the state of the universe prior to the beginning of expansion and how long was it in that state?

 

[outhouse]

The beginning as you call it, was the beginning of the current state of the universe which is why I have a problem with using the word "beginning". What was the state of the universe prior to the beginning of expansion and how long was it in that state?

correct and excellent question.

dont think in our lifetime it will be answered.


But beginning has been answered enough for most. Are we lacking information? absolutely, but we do have enough to state such a word with certainty.

 

[Faith division]

OK, to be "intellectually honest" all what you have to do is read to find out whether the Words of God make sense or not

He asks you to use your reason, and by reading His Guidance there are 2 possibilities:

1- Either you are not convinced, and in that case you have been "intellectually honest" because you searched whether this path is the Truth or not

2- The second possibility is that you are convinced, and in that case you have found the right path

Makes sense?

Hi cordoba
Its fair enough what u explained
but,,,,,I feel a huge impolitess and misrespect from payak toward god
He uses a very bad language in a bad way
at least our brothers (christians or jews) i mean abrahamic religions many of them show love and respect and faith for god(even if we have differences)
but here some people are not trying to understand or to ask!!!
they......they show their emptiness trying to catch atention
They ..... Just dont deserve any comment

 

[Daviso452]

Hi cordoba
Its fair enough what u explained
but,,,,,I feel a huge impolitess and misrespect from payak toward god
He uses a very bad language in a bad way
at least our brothers (christians or jews) i mean abrahamic religions many of them show love and respect and faith for god(even if we have differences)
but here some people are not trying to understand or to ask!!!
they......they show their emptiness trying to catch atention
They ..... Just dont deserve any comment

That's exactly what I try not to do. I ask and try and understand why people believe. The problem is that many people assume that what they feel inside is God, and do not consider what they feel is just a psychological thing, or that perhaps what they feel is the false god and what others feel are the right gods.

 

[Quagmire]

believers always claim there must be a god, what else could have created all things.
what then created god?

Language did.

If we faulter common sense should tell mankind that a god of such wisdom should understand we cannot help it as we are ignorant.

You mean like "Forgive them; they know not what they do"?

 

[cablescavenger]

Not really true my friend and this is a valid historically known point.

El was the father of Yahweh. They were known as a family of gods early hebrews worshipped.

what I find weird is how some say Asherah was married to both.

I thought "el" was a hebrew word for God? hence the names nathani-el, jezeb-el, dani-el Isra-el etc.

I didn't realise he was God's father,but I had heard God had a wife. I am surprised God had the will to go out and create a universe after marriade, I am surprised he wasn't given an endless list of trivial tasks to do first.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Outhouse etymology is thin gruel. Alternatively, there are some rather good texts on the evolution of Yahwism.