who or what created god

[payak]

Who or what created god?

I guess buddha would say:

"nothing"

no I believe Buddha Said it was beyond our understanding, and it looks like all these posts just confirmed what Buddha said, thankyou for bringing that to our attention.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

no I believe Buddha Said it was beyond our understanding, and it looks like all these posts just confirmed what Buddha said, thankyou for bringing that to our attention.

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...101720-buddha-not-silent-god-metaphysics.html

Uh, nope.

 

[ratikala]

dear me my self ,

Who or what created god?

I guess buddha would say:

"nothing"

yes he may well say nothing

because in a way that is true ,
as god is without begining and without end :yes:


samantabhadra ki jai

 

[Daviso452]

Can the universe be the same?

 

[What god?]

The universe is not eternal.

It has a start which is around 13 billion years ago

Anything which has a start is by definition not eternal

Only the "Cause" for bringing the universe into existence is Eternal

Wait what?
13 billion years ago?
Where'd you get that from?
No one was even around to know IF it even began that long ago lol.
Don't make me laugh.

 

[Quagmire]

Wait what?
13 billion years ago?
Where'd you get that from?
No one was even around to know IF it even began that long ago lol.
Don't make me laugh.

Here ya go: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/quizzes/127241-you-scientifically-literate-take-our-quiz.html

 

[What god?]

With one difference

God has actually communicated to us why He created us, and what He wants us to do, through His Divine Books, which He revealed to His chosen prophets

So the answer is to read His Words, then decide if convinced or not convinced

LMAO..
Why do we have to go through all that crap reading when your so called "god" could've just implanted all that knowledge into our brains?
One would think that is the easier way to do things..
I just read the Harry Potter books...
So,I'm to believe witches and sorcerers exist?
With flying brooms and magical wands?

 

[Quagmire]

LMAO..
Why do we have to go through all that crap reading when your so called "god" could've just implanted all that knowledge into our brains?
One would think that is the easier way to do things..
I just read the Harry Potter books...
So,I'm to believe witches and sorcerers exist?
With flying brooms and magical wands?

Hey Ellwood: if you didn't want to talk about religion, why the hell did you join a place whose purpose is to talk about religion?

 

[Daviso452]

LMAO..
Why do we have to go through all that crap reading when your so called "god" could've just implanted all that knowledge into our brains?
One would think that is the easier way to do things..
I just read the Harry Potter books...
So,I'm to believe witches and sorcerers exist?
With flying brooms and magical wands?

There is a disconnect here. Scientists have calculated that the event known as the Big Bang occurred 13 billion years ago. That is not, however, when the universe "began." The fact is, no one knows what the universe was like prior to the Big Bang. This means that no one has any authority to say what it was like as of now. God could, however, if he first proved himself to even exist.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

That is not, however, when the universe "began." The fact is, no one knows what the universe was like prior to the Big Bang.

According to one very common view, yes it is. Prior to the "big bang" not only did the universe have no volume, but there was no time. So it makes no sense to talk about "before" and "after" the big bang with reference to the universe.

 

[idav]

According to one very common view, yes it is. Prior to the "big bang" not only did the universe have no volume, but there was no time. So it makes no sense to talk about "before" and "after" the big bang with reference to the universe.

If the universe was in a different state then there is a "before" the big bang. Just cause time didn't exist as it does today, there still was something that began expanding.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

If the universe was in a different state then there is a "before" the big bang. Just cause time didn't exist as it does today, there still was something that began expanding.

A point (singularity) with no volume and no time. I think the following passage sums it up pretty well:
“This theory, called the Big Bang theory, postulates that starting from the singularity the Universe expanded so creating space and also creating time. Like any sensible person you will ask the question, “What was the state of affairs before the Big Bang?”, to which you will receive the answer, “There is no such thing as before the Big Bang because time did not exist until the Big Bang occurred.” p. 66
Woolfson, M. M. (2009). Time, Space, Stars, and Man: The Story of the Big Bang. London: Imperial College Press.

 

[idav]

A point (singularity) with no volume and no time. I think the following passage sums it up pretty well:
“This theory, called the Big Bang theory, postulates that starting from the singularity the Universe expanded so creating space and also creating time. Like any sensible person you will ask the question, “What was the state of affairs before the Big Bang?”, to which you will receive the answer, “There is no such thing as before the Big Bang because time did not exist until the Big Bang occurred.” p. 66
Woolfson, M. M. (2009). Time, Space, Stars, and Man: The Story of the Big Bang. London: Imperial College Press.

Time just didn't exist as it is today. They are able to try and theorize what the universe looked like a nanosecond after expansion began but nobody can say the nanosecond prior to expansion. I find it extremely hard to believe that all the substance and energy of the universe popped into existence in a nanosecond to then begin expanding at explosive rates.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I find it extremely hard to believe that all the substance and energy of the universe popped into existence in a nanosecond to then begin expanding at explosive rates.

That, however, is what the theory of the big bang is.

 

[idav]

That, however, is what the theory of the big bang is.

The theory of big bang isn't to say that matter and energy popped into existence in an instant.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

The theory of big bang isn't to say that matter and energy popped into existence in an instant.

That's exactly what the theory states. At one point, there was no matter, time, physics, space, anything. Just the singularity, a "point" with no volume or mass. Then there was the universe.

 

[idav]

That's exactly what the theory states. At one point, there was no matter, time, physics, space, anything. Just the singularity, a "point" with no volume or mass. Then there was the universe.

We don't know anything about the singularity or where it came from. We just have an idea of what the components were the instant the expansion happened. We are able to see that the state of the universe changed in that instant but we still don't know where the ingredients came from or how long the singularity might have been there.

 

[1137]

believers always claim there must be a god, what else could have created all things.
what then created god?

And why play faith based games rather then just showing him or herself.

If god is so intelligent, surely all religions would be accepted by him as he would understand our ignorance in following the wrong one and judge us on our behaviour, not our choice of worship.

If he is so choosy about what we follow that would indicate he has a large ego that needs worshiping to satisfy him, further indicating he is imperfect.

If there is a god who kwows all it would be foolish to think we can begin to understand him, behave in a manner that never hurts or effects others and surely he should be pleased.

If we faulter common sense should tell mankind that a god of such wisdom should understand we cannot help it as we are ignorant.

"Spirit" is explained in terms of itself, in philosophical / logical thinking. There are things explained in terms of other things, things explained in terms of themselves, and things unexplained. Unexplained things are unacceptable, as there must be an explanation for every being and every fact (Principle of Sufficient Reason).

For now, spirit exists because it is spirit. It has always existed and always will, as it is the heart of everything. We came out of spirit and we return to spirit. As for why spirit does not show itself, it does. It manifests itself in different ways and has forever. However, spirit in its entirety cannot possibly be fully understood, as you yourself have pointed out. In the past it came as the god Thoth to the Egyptians, who only perceived partially as human along with the other gods. Through time it started manifesting as human like and eventually became fully misunderstood. You say that it would accept ignorance, but it does not. People must be responsible for themselves spiritually and "get it right" on their own. It is for this reason, I believe, Spirit only manifests itself internally to one during meditation or magick, as we as a species are spiritually dead, so to speak.

Spirit does not want us to follow a specific thing, so to speak. It is not like one specific religion is correct. It all depends on a persons spiritual life. If "Seeking Enlightenment" was a religion, whichever way you put it, then it would be right. However, it is not. The Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, Thelemites, Setians, etc are probably the ones onto something. Notice that some are at the ancient end of the spectrum and some at the new, as life cycles.

Correct, Spirit cannot be understood. That is why we do not understand and there are many different ideas. If you study Egypt for example, all the Gods were made by Ra, and we were made from Ra also. However, the god Thoth (I mentioned him before as a manifestation of Spirit) was self begotten, he had no creator. He was consider the creator of everything, in our reality at least. That does not fit with the other gods, as Thoth is explained in terms of himself (also mentioned earlier).

As for knowing that we are ignorant, of course. If we know we are ignorant that Spirit does as well. This idea you are running from is very Christianize: if this is the one life, with heaven or hell after, Spirit would be extremely evil to let us fall into hell. However, everything in life is cycles. I mean everything, included being the idea of rebirth. We have eternity to get it right, why aid those who are ignorant?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

We don't know anything about the singularity or where it came from.

I'm not saying anything about what "we know" I'm simply stating what the theory of the big bang holds. To say:

where the ingredients came from or how long the singularity might have been there

Is to talk about the singularity in terms which have no meaning. The singularity had no ingredients and as time didn't exist, to talk of what was around "before" makes no sense. You may not agree (and you wouldn't be alone) but that's the theory.

 

[idav]

I'm not saying anything about what "we know" I'm simply stating what the theory of the big bang holds. To say:

Is to talk about the singularity in terms which have no meaning. The singularity had no ingredients and as time didn't exist, to talk of what was around "before" makes no sense. You may not agree (and you wouldn't be alone) but that's the theory.

The evidence of the big bang doesn't spell out where the singularity came from. There were ingredients, and yes I know time was different but it is besides the point. There are hypothesis as to where it came from, like quantum fluctuations from nothing, but would be separate from and only lead to the big bang.

Anyhow it is a wonder that 'nothing' could be so unstable as to produce the gazillion stars and planets.