Who Or What Is Israel?

[River Sea]

This has no relation with ku****e woman. If at all, it says about a benjamite.cu****e. no relation with Moses marriage.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala What's the letters for the **** I had to look this up because of your ****

Num 12:1 Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ku****e woman whom he had married: “He married a Ku****e woman.”
I think this verse is clear.

why **** I just learned it does that to me too, putting **** in the word, how come

Numbers 12 1 (please no **** please)
Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cu****e c-u-sh-i-t-e please no **** in that word. wife, for he had married a Cu****e cu-sh-ite please no **** please but it'll do that causing this verse be a mess. "Has the LORD spoken only through Moses?" they asked. "Hasn't he also spoken through us?" And the LORD heard this.

Cu****e it is cu-sh-ite please no **** please, how do I know what word if ****

why **** how come? here's the word without **** Cu****e what is Ku****e is that Ku****e? ku-shi-te please no **** please, stop this please.

will you please not use **** so I know what word it is and also I want to know why you did that using **** however I realized it did that to me too. it does that when clicking save. We're analyzing a verse, so how come this then ****

Chu****e doesn't need **** it needs letters actual letters. So I know what word you're showing. I don't read **** very well. it does this to me too, how come? please stop the ***********************************************************************************

What is Ku****e? Is that Ku****e? ku-sh-ite i put - to stop the **************************

Wait I notice something when I click save there's **** how come? I don't understand this

I'll put a space between the letters

C h u s h i t e or k u s h i t e please stop the ************************************

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

That verse teaches that Moses marriage to Kush woman is Lawful marriage in Israel.

Cush was before Abraham and not necessarily believer in One God of Abraham. Hence perhaps not acceptable. Though I am not sure.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

. The Deuteronomy 10:17 verse provides food for thought. The Other gods has a little "g" and the Other lords has a little "l".

These caps and smalls must be later interpolations. Masoretic Hebrew does not have these.

 

[Elihoenai]

I conceive of God as infinite psychic power. But there exist many infinities. So One God becomes a subset of the many Infinities.

Elohim/God is Omni Being Infinite Psychic Power. In your Religion do you practice attaining Psychic Power? Do you believe in Extrasensory Perception and have those abilities?

 

[Elihoenai]

Cush was before Abraham and not necessarily believer in One God of Abraham. Hence perhaps not acceptable. Though I am not sure.

Psalm 7:1

7 `The Erring One,' by David, that he sung to Jehovah concerning the words of Cush a Benjamite. O Jehovah, my God, in Thee I have trusted, Save me from all my pursuers, and deliver me.


That's how it appears in the Literal Reading of the Holy Scriptures/Bible. The Literal reading is why readers don't understand Psalm 7:1. Cush is Israel of the Tribe of Benjamin.

 

[Kenny]

Nope, not genetics.

Agreed

Nope. Not "spiritual". That's a con, a lie, false man made doctrine. Acts 1, it's right there. Jesus confirms there is no "spiritual Israel". It's a lie, and it's identity theft.

Agreed

Nope. That's a recruitment tactic in the christian bible. It's flipping and twisting scripture in order to make false promises.

Disagree and agree . It isn’t a “recruitment tactic in the christian bible” - it is a “ flipping and twisting scripture in order to make false promises."

You're missing the most important word in the verse, you quoted it in the OP, though.

Agreed.

It's not an ideal translation, but, the key-word is bold and blue above. It's common practice, The King often sends the prince as an emissary to the other nations beyond the King's territory. While on their mission the prince IS the King's proxy. The Prince can speak for the King, in the King's name, if anything happens to the Prince while they are in the other nations territory, it is considered an atttack on the King themself. Makes sense? The power is granted to Israel ( and the House of Jacob ) as a proxy for God on earth.

Agreed

If I recall, this is what the name actually means. And if you look at the verse in hebrew, the Sar is emphasized.

Yisrael. Yi-Sar-El. Eternal Guardian of EL. A "Sar" is a holy gaurdian.

ויאמר לא יעקב יאמר עוד שמך כי אם־ישראל כי־שרית עם־אלהים ועם־אנשים ותוכל׃

Interesting… thank you

 

[Elihoenai]

These caps and smalls must be later interpolations. Masoretic Hebrew does not have these.

Deuteronomy 10:17

כִּ֚י יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹֽהֵיכֶ֔ם ה֚וּא אֱלֹהֵ֣י הָֽאֱלֹהִ֔ים וַאֲדֹנֵ֖י הָאֲדֹנִ֑ים הָאֵ֨ל הַגָּדֹ֤ל הַגִּבֹּר֙ וְהַנּוֹרָ֔א אֲשֶׁר֙ לֹא־יִשָּׂ֣א פָנִ֔ים וְלֹ֥א יִקַּ֖ח שֹֽׁחַד׃

For your God יהוה is God supreme and Lord supreme, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who shows no favor and takes no bribe,


Although the Masoretic Hebrew does not have the distinction with the little "g" and little "l" it is certainly correct to have this distinction. You talk about subset. Everything that exists is a subset of the Supreme Elohim/God. For example when a Beast Man Worships a Tree, that is a subset of the Supreme Elohim/God, they are Worshipping god with a little "g". The Beast Man Worships the Created little "g" god rather than the Creator Elohim/God.

 

[Kenny]

Do you Beleive that there is a Spiritual Israel?

Do you agree that Elohim/God has Ordained Spiritual Israel and Fleshly Israel?

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No

Romans 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

? Do you believe in Extrasensory Perception and have those abilities?

Yes

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

The Beast Man Worships the Created little "g" god rather than the Creator Elohim/God.

What if the beast man worshipped the tree as a manifestation of Creator?

 

[Elihoenai]

No

Romans 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Romans 2:28-29

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


How do you Interpret Romans 2:28-29? Do you Observe the Law of Moses?

 

[Elihoenai]

What if the beast man worshipped the tree as a manifestation of Creator?

Romans 1:25

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


The Creator is Embodied/Manifested in the Tree, although the Tree did Not Create itself. That's why the Tree is a Lesser god. All Other gods are Lesser than the Creator Elohim/God and Embody/Manifest the Creator Elohim/God.

 

[Kenny]

Romans 2:28-29

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


How do you Interpret Romans 2:28-29? Do you Observe the Law of Moses?

We have to take all verses into consideration and just not look at one.

It isn’t the first time God used those words:

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the Lord And remove the foreskins of your hearts, Men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem, Or else My wrath will spread like fire And burn with no one to quench it, Because of the evil of your deeds.”

They were still Jews - but God still looks for the heart.

Notice this verse:

Romans 11:17
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

Notice that we are “grated in” which gives the understanding that God’s covenant with Israel is still ongoing. We didn’t “become spiritual Israel” but were grafted “into” spiritual Israel. Unto them - they were entrusted with the actual words of God.

As far as The Law… If you violate on part of the law you are guilty of the whole of the law therefore the covenant was made unto “the seed” and not “seeds” as of many Only Jesus Christ fulfills the law of Moses. I am of the faith of Abraham before the law even existed.

 

[metis]

We have to take all verses into consideration and just not look at one.

It isn’t the first time God used those words:

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the Lord And remove the foreskins of your hearts, Men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem, Or else My wrath will spread like fire And burn with no one to quench it, Because of the evil of your deeds.”

They were still Jews - but God still looks for the heart.

Notice this verse:

Romans 11:17
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

Notice that we are “grated in” which gives the understanding that God’s covenant with Israel is still ongoing. We didn’t “become spiritual Israel” but were grafted “into” spiritual Israel. Unto them - they were entrusted with the actual words of God.

As far as The Law… If you violate on part of the law you are guilty of the whole of the law therefore the covenant was made unto “the seed” and not “seeds” as of many Only Jesus Christ fulfills the law of Moses. I am of the faith of Abraham before the law even existed.

Yes, and what Jesus did was to take all 613 Commandments and have Jesus' Two Commandments cover them all.

He wasn't the first one to do this as Hillel the Elder a few decades before Jesus' time concluded much the same. When asked by a student what the purpose of Torah was, he said: "I can answer it standing on one leg: 'Do not do unto others that which you would not want done to yourself. All the rest is commentary, now go and study'."

 

[RabbiO]

Yes, and what Jesus did was to take all 613 Commandments and have Jesus' Two Commandments cover them all.

He wasn't the first one to do this as Hillel the Elder a few decades before Jesus' time concluded much the same. When asked by a student what the purpose of Torah was, he said: "I can answer it standing on one leg: 'Do not do unto others that which you would not want done to yourself. All the rest is commentary, now go and study'."

In all the years I’ve known you how many times have I been able to say, “Oops. You told it wrong.” Come to think of it, has there ever been a time? So imagine my delight in finally being able to say it today. And the great part for you is this. If you edit your post, my post gets deleted.

 

[Balthazzar]

What quality Determines Israel if Not Hereditary? Are Not All Ethnic Jews Israel? Also readers remember that Israel consists of 12 Tribes and one of those Tribes is Judah/Jew.









Genesis 25:23

23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.


It's impossible for Non-Christian to understand the Book Of Acts. Even Christians in Christendom don't really understand the Book Of Acts. The Con/Lie and False Man Made Doctrine in Christendom is not what you think. The Great Lie/Con in Christendom is that Billions of members Believe and Claim to have the Holy Spirit While Walking in the Flesh.

Yes, Certainly there is a Spiritual Israel. Elohim/God teaches Spiritual Israel and a Fleshly Israel in Genesis 25. The Two Manner of People are the Spiritual and the Carnal.









Yes, it is a recruitment tactic in Christendom. The False Promise in Christendom is Getting and Having the Holy Spirit While Cherishing the Flesh.









Therefore, in Judaism, like the Pope, Israel means Elohim's/God's Representative on Earth.

Israel, as understand it, are the people of God. It is suggested that others are grafted into that vine. I'll assume it has to do with behaviors and our understanding. You mentioned two people or nations and the elder serving the younger. The elder would typically be better equipped for service due to the duration of time and life experience, so it may have something to do with understanding life realities or vice versa. Truth or error, knowing or unknowing, etc.

 

[Balthazzar]

Genesis 32:28

28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.



Does Genetics Only Determine Who Israel Is?

Do you Beleive that there is a Spiritual Israel?

Do you agree that Elohim/God has Ordained Spiritual Israel and Fleshly Israel?

What does it mean to have the Israeli Trait of Power With Elohim/God and With Men?​

In my view, Israel represents "us" who come into the ways of truth. Fields of science, technology, etc are vehicles that operate under truthful, evidenced based paradigms from where those in these fields garner their understanding of life. So, in this way God's chosen are those who understand and operate through true, honest, evidenced based, factual and verifiable methods of understanding, without deceit. Most of us are in this continuum of still learning the ropes, and we likely always will be.

 

[metis]

In all the years I’ve known you how many times have I been able to say, “Oops. You told it wrong.” Come to think of it, has there ever been a time? So imagine my delight in finally being able to say it today. And the great part for you is this. If you edit your post, my post gets deleted.

Me, wrong? How is that even possible?

 

[2ndpillar]

He wasn't the first one to do this as Hillel the Elder a few decades before Jesus' time concluded much the same. When asked by a student what the purpose of Torah was, he said: "I can answer it standing on one leg: 'Do not do unto others that which you would not want done to yourself. All the rest is commentary, now go and study'."

That Golden Rule was the message of Confucius, Zoroaster, Budha, Isocrates, Epicurus, Seneca the Younger, Leviticus 9:18, etc. It did not and does not exclude the Ordinances and statutes given to the Israel (Ezekiel 37:24), which will eventually be reinstated unto the combined tribes of Judah and Ephraim/Israel, on the land given to Jacob/Israel. (EZ 37:25).

Golden Rule - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[2ndpillar]

Me, wrong? How is that even possible?

It is possibly the result of your believing half of what you have been taught.