Well, the Quran and the Muslim narratives are taken from Jewish (people of the book), Christian, and Persian narratives. Supposedly written in an Arabic with no vowels or dots, leading to confusion, which was written down supposedly by a consortium of consorts of a supposed personage called "the praised one" (Mohammad), which was supposedly shipped out to Arab strong holds, after burning every other previous writings, including the resurrected part eaten by the household goat. The problem being is that there are no copies of the original authorized written text, and the following texts have differing numbers of chapters. In the early 20th century, supposedly they came up with a new Quran canon, and were supposedly to throw the other differing versions into the Nile River. Well, today you have around 100 different versions, with around 96,000 deficiencies having been pointed out. Most of the writers of the Muslim narratives were Persians, from the area around present day Baghdad, not Mecca, which as a city, Mecca did not exist at the time of this supposed Mohammad. The Muslims will say God wrote the Quran and admit that this Mohammad could not read or write, yet according to the Muslim narrative, that after the murder of this Mohammad, and it being found that there were different versions being preach, his man Friday, a Persian, was asked to put the sayings of Mohammad to paper. There was no Mohammad living out of the made-up trading center of Mecca in the early 7th century, and there was no Koran at that time. No man, no book, and no Mecca. The term Islam is documented around the time of 690 A.D., the time of Abd al-Malik, an Arab who ruled Jerusalem, and according to his coinage of the time, was probably an anti-Trinity Christian, who as did Constantine, apparently created his own state religion to further unify the Arab tribes. Their whole narrative was taken from different elements, and mostly contrived to unite the Arabs into a one faith religious state. Since less than 20%of Muslims can read Arabic, they don't even know what they believe, because they can't read the Koran as supposedly written. They simply believe the parts they are told about. Differing sects have differing interpretations, which results in them killing each other, which is an ongoing process.
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Who Or What Is Israel?
- Thread starter Elihoenai
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Those are taken on faith.
Not at all objective.
We all have subjective standards.
The big difference between people...
Some know they're subjective.
Some don't know they're subjective.
Well, I guess the Supreme Court building is budding with "faith", for the 10 commandments are prominently displayed throughout, as well as the courthouses of the U.S. having a general tradition of displaying the 10 commandments. Do you also deny that the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem, and that the ark was in holy of holies at that time. Did not Antiochus destroy Jerusalem and sacrifice a pig to his gods in the Temple of the Jews, to his god? Did not Titus do the same thing? What was the temple a sanctuary of? What was kept in the holy of holies, and what is inscribed on the arch of Titus in Rome. Is the arch of Titus a figment of everyone's imagination, whereas it displays the menorah, as described in the book of Exodus, one of the artifacts taken from the Temple? Do you have to have faith to travel to Rome and actually see the depiction as described in the book of Exodus, whose central them was the 10 Commandments written on stone by the hand of God? Did Nebachudnezzar exist, did Titus Exist, did Trajan exist, did Antiochus exist, or are they a subjective product of "faith". But then again, according to your subjective view of science, you believed Dr. Science, Mr. Fauci, that if you received a covid shot, you would not get covid, nor transmit it, and that a mask worked, and that the covid virus came from a bat. Your objective "science" has been trashed, as well as your view of the world, which now science in the form of the AMA says they can turn a man into a woman, and as the WH doctor says, Biden is healthy, yet the Justice department says they can't prosecute him because he isn't aware of what is going on. No the humanist, objective views, are not objective, nor are they good for humans, as has been detailed with respect to the playing out of the many Marxist/humanist regimes. No, you follow your emperor with no clothes, and his VP, with no brain, and see where it gets you. Tomorrow, the money for bank set asides from the Federal Reserve runs out, and the rules on independent contractors changes. See how far that takes you down the rabbit hole.
Of course.
Christians & Jews dominate our politics & government.
Many of them try to turn USA into a theocracy, but
there are enuf secular ones & non-religious people
to keep that evil at bay, albeit imperfectly.
Even being a highly educated SCOTUS justice cannot
prevent belief in irrational & subjective things.
IMO....
Science can be tested experimentally. It's dynamic.
it can accomplish great things. Religion is belief
without testing, based solely upon feeling.
It is weak. And more than any other human
affliction, it leads to oppression, war, & destruction.
So it can. Also give legs to the legless, hearing
to the deaf, sight to the blind, etc.
Religion keeps many believers uninformed of the
complexity of life...thinking it's all as simple as
what ancient ignorant goatherds put in the Bible.
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Apparently, the objective Humanist/Marxist/Progressives can't determine the difference between a male and female, the difference between competent and incompetent, and the difference between science and propaganda, which seems irrational to me.
The Progressive/Humanistic/Marxist religion of socialism/Communism has historical led to death and destruction. As for "religions", for the most part, they are mostly followers of false prophets, who just have different false prophets than the Humanist. They all lead their followers down a wide path to "destruction". You can test the 10 Commandments over time. Just murder you neighbor and see what happens. Just defraud your neighbor and see what happens. Jump in bed with your neighbor's wife, and see what eventually happens. Look at Biden, he jumped in bed with his friend's wife, and see what happened to him. Right now, he can't apparently buy votes, and people are shocked he was able to remain standing for 90 minutes. Yet, he apparently has 36% approval ratings from people who think he is actually wearing clothes. Tell people the same lie enough times, they apparently believe what is said. All they have to say is, "believe the science". Science gave you the covid virus, the H bomb, and CNN. All that technology may not work out so well.
Actually, "goatherds" eat vegetation. None I know of put things in a Bible. What the goatherders, the Jews (the people of the book) do, is outperform, in the form of what they put in the record books, with respect to Nobel Peace prizes for actual discoveries, versus the soft science discoveries of the atheist persuasion, which tend to occupy the gender studies departments. But that might be good, in that they won't figure out how to procreate after a generation of those studies.
You think they're all the same?
Science allows for more biological
complexity that the Bible does.
Your criticism lacks rationality.
The Bible is a poor source of
reason & information.
I'm no fan of Marxism, socialism, or communism.
They're as bad as religion because of irrationality.
I prefer a better morality than your religion
has to offer, eg, Jews & Christians committing
genocide of Palestinians.
Science didn't give us the Covid virus.
But it did provide the vaccine.
And the H bomb ended WW2.
Your post shows little knowledge of science,
& the belief that Jews are superior to others.
This explains support for genocide of Muslims.
I have a bachelor of science in engineering, which gives me the capability to add 2 and 2, something that seems lacking in today's society.
As for the Jews, they have received 22% of the Nobel prizes, and comprise 0.2% of the population. The math might overwhelm some people, but take my word for it, they punch above their weight. List of Jewish Nobel laureates - Wikipedia
Of the 965 individual recipients of the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences between 1901 and 2023,[1] at least 214 have been Jews or people with at least one Jewish parent, representing 22% of all recipients. Jews comprise only 0.2% of the world's population, meaning their share of winners is 110 times their proportion of the world's population.[2][3][4][5]
Jews have been awarded all six of the Nobel Foundation's awards:[3]
- Chemistry: 36 (19% of total)
- Economics: 38 (41% of total)
- Literature: 16 (13% of total)
- Peace: 9 (8% of total)
- Physics: 56 (25% of total)
- Physiology or Medicine: 59 (26% of total)
The bomb will be a major part of WW3, but it won't be limited to Hiroshima. The Wuhan science lab, with help from the U.S. government, gave us the covid virus. The covid vaccine, according to new European studies, killed from 13 to 17 million people, and has ruined, and will further ruin the lives of many more. If you have taken the vaccine, I expect your immune system has been compromised, and you are looking at other potential problems, not least being mental degradation.
You kind of leave out the Muslim religion, which has a great record of Shias killing Sunnis, or Sunnis killing Shias, such as in the Iran-Iraq war. Now the Saudis (Sunnis) want to have a nuke to kill Iranians (Shias). I think your "better morality" is exhibited best in the "woke" society, whereas you think you are better than anyone else, and it is you who decides if a man is a woman, or a woman is a man. You woke fellers kind of went off the track. Maybe the next murderer, whether a they or them, you let out of a prison will walk up behind you, and you can tell us how that ends. On the other hand, I don't want to know.
Hah!
I outrank you.
(masters in engineering)
Are you claiming that Jews are superior to others?
Trying that old Zionist trick, eh.
We aren't allowed to accuse other posters of
dishonesty. So let's not be provocative.
This sure looks like you value Jewish lives,
but not Muslims lives. Is this so?
I prefer avoiding WW3, even if it's non-nuclear.
I've given severe criticism of Islam.
But in the context of this thread &
Israel's genocide of Palestinians,
some criticism is prioritized.
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
If I was Albert Einstein I would have No Understanding of Holy Scripture. Remember Faith is the Total Opposite of Science. Science is limited only to the Natural World. I apply science in its limited Natural domain. Gentiles Depend on and Embrace Science because it's Natural.
Faith is Belief in Something that you are yet to Attain or See. Science is Observable Phenomenon. Israel Represents Faith.
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
I Am in Total Agreement with Everything in the Holy Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation.
John 16:33
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
That's a Lie. There is no such thing as a Carnal Christian. A Christian is a Follower of Messiah/Christ. Those that Follow Messiah/Christ are Not Carnal. A Christian is an Overcomer of the Carnal Nature. The Overcoming Christian is Israel. I speak from a Christian Gnostic perspective.
Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Luke 16:15
15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
I Am Glad that Everything Must be Judged by Elohim's/God's Incomparable and Highly Exalted Standard.
Hebrews 7:11And Levi was in the Loins of Abraham.Hebrews 7
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
The Levitical Priesthood is for the Earthly Ministry where the people receive Law. The Melchisedec Priesthood is the Spiritual Ministry.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
In my experience, extremely intelligent people tend to do well in most subjects. Just because a person is good at science doesn't mean they aren't also good with literature.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Substance and evidence strengthen faith (confidence). Do you think they will ever be able to treat or cure cancer? That's the hope and they are making great efforts for that cause. They are confident that one day cancer will be less of a threat to those who develop it, due to the ongoing efforts to treat it effectively.