Who was Jesus?

[MrMrdevincamus]

Just in your own words, who was Jesus?

These days there are very few to zero scholars that deny the historical Jesus existed. There are quite a few extra-biblical sources that mention Christ and Christians (see footnotes for examples) So yes I know Jesus existed, and I have faith Jesus was a part human, part spiritual messenger 'sent' by the creator of the universe to save us . Jesus was the son of God in other words.


notes;



Tacitus

Annals, book XV:

Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.

Suetonius

Lives of the Caesars - Claudius, sec. 25:

Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome.

Lives of the Caesars - Nero, sec. 16

Punishment was inflicted on the Christians, a class of men given to a new and mischievous superstition.

Julius Africanus

Chronography, XVIII refers to writings by Thallus and Phlegon concerning the darkness during the Crucifixion:

On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun...Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth - manifestly that one of which we speak.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Just in your own words, who was Jesus?

A Jesus is a device that Christians hang their values (good or bad) on.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

jesus not a god and i dare any chrisitian here to give me one single verse in the bible jesus said clearly" i m god "or "worship me" not the son of god because in the bible david also is the begotten son of god ...
jesus said clearly i m a man ""As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a #man who has told you the truth that I heard from #God. Abraham did not do such things""

islamea

Jesus was partially God. Here are a few bible quotes I can think of without research;

John 14:6 New King James Version (NKJV) 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me

Also in the Gospel of Mark a high priest asks Jesus if he is indeed the "Son of the Blessed", in which He replies "I am". ~See Mark 14:61-62~

Jesus wanted his followers (and Christians today) to believe on his deity by FAITH alone which is another reason references may not be plentiful. Also I don't think he wanted to explain the finer and complicated aspects of theology every-time his deity was questioned.

 

[pearl]

Jesus gave us the example of what it is to be perfectly human, not humanly perfect.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Do you miss your Catholic faith at all?

Yes. I do. To be catholic, though, is not just to practice and believe, but to be in communion with your peers. One Body, one Eucharist, and so forth.

I never believed christ is a god of any form. It didn' dawn on me until years later this is a literal belief. I am no longer in communion with the Church; so, no matter how much I like it, for many reasons not just that, it unsettles my morals.

Usually when one decides to be catholic and take the sacraments, they conform their life to christ and the church. Someone like me already had morals that I can't part with. They conflict with the churches after I took the sacraments, so I am no longer in communion.

Doesn't mean I don't miss it. It just means I respect the church enough to not take the sacraments unless I am in full communion with her.

 

[james bond]

Jesus is our Savior who died for us so that we can live forever. He is the Lord who will judge you after you die and thus no person can reach salvation except through Him.

 

[godnotgod]

.....the Earth and heavens are destroyed with utter destruction, then we are recreated into new forms, also the universe will be reshaped......

But that is exactly what has been going on all this time, and is going on as we speak.

 

[godnotgod]

Jesus is our Savior who died for us so that we can live forever. He is the Lord who will judge you after you die and thus no person can reach salvation except through Him.

This doctrine is a projection of the ego, just one of which is a well-known phenomena in psychology, called 'The Five Egotistical States':


1. APPARENT LOVE OF OTHERS BY PROJECTION OF THE EGO

This is idolatrous love, in which the ego is projected onto another
being [eg; 'Jesus']. The pretention to divinity as 'distinct' has left my organism and is now
fixed onto the organism of the other. The affective situation resembles that
above, with the difference that the other has taken my place in my scale of
values. I desire the existence of the other-idol, and am against everything that
is opposed to them. I no longer love my own organism except in so far as it is
the faithful servant of the idol; apart from that I have no further sentiments
towards my organism, I am indifferent to it, and, if necessary, I can give my
life for the safety of my idol. [eg; martyrdom]. As for the rest of the world, I hate it if it is hostile to
my idol; if it is not hostile and if my contemplation of the idol fills me with
joy (that is to say, with egotistical affirmation), I love indiscriminately all the
rest of the world. If the idolised being rejects me to the point of forbidding
me all possession of my Ego in them, the apparent love can be turned to hate.

from: 'Zen and the Psychology of Transformation', by Hubert Benoit

 

[Baroodi]

Jesus the son of Mary the vergin as known in Islam is a human born meraculously by God and was sent as a prophet to the Jews

 

[oldbadger]

Just in your own words, who was Jesus?

I think Jesus was a Galilean Handworker in stone, wood and bone, who worked along the Capernaum shoreline and initiated a mission to re-establish trhe old laws and fair treatment for working folks in Galilee.

 

[Baroodi]

(verily the similtude of Jesus is as that of Adam, He created him from dust (or earth) then said to him be and he was) Al_Imran 59

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Just in your own words, who was Jesus?

A spirit who visited me, and took my hand and showed me the spiritual realm
that exists beyond this microcosm of a lifetime.

He showed me that the material world is like a reflection on the surface of a lake;
and that reality has an extra dimension such that when one dives into it,
one realizes just how much people are missing out
through fear of exploring their own infinite inner being.

 

[psychoslice]

This you singing Robert?

Pretty cool if it is. Might have to change my religion

Yes that is me, what religion are you ?.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Yes that is me, what religion are you ?.

Baha'i Faith. I've composed a few songs. Busy life so hard to find time to put together a video as you have.

 

[psychoslice]

Baha'i Faith. I've composed a few songs. Busy life so hard to find time to put together a video as you have.

Yes I like the Baha'i Faith, their not out there in your face, I can't wait to hear it, I am no musician, I just try to do what I do with as little chords as possible lol.

 

[Ubon]

Only have written accounts of him and his teachings.
Written long after he passed.

Many written contradictions so im not sure what kind of man he was.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Only have written accounts of him and his teachings.
Written long after he passed.

Many written contradictions so im not sure what kind of man he was.

Yes however there was no CNN or MSNBC (thank you God) back then either! Add to that most of the population was functionally illiterate and its a miracle we know as much as we do of Jesus, historical or otherwise. Some accounts were as you say written long after he passed however again that's the way things were done back in the day. Some written by Roman historians were not that old. Actually we have a fairly good account of him as a man but its information about his childhood that we are lacking. Btw care to share some of the contradictions you speak of?

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Jesus is our Savior who died for us so that we can live forever. He is the Lord who will judge you after you die and thus no person can reach salvation except through Him.

God bless ya Bond!

 

[Ubon]

Yes however there was no CNN or MSNBC (thank you God) back then either! Add to that most of the population was functionally illiterate and its a miracle we know as much as we do of Jesus, historical or otherwise. Some accounts were as you say written long after he passed however again that's the way things were done back in the day. Some written by Roman historians were not that old. Actually we have a fairly good account of him as a man but its information about his childhood that we are lacking. Btw care to share some of the contradictions you speak of?

Refering more to his word, the Bible.

You could spend hours listing the condradictions in the Bible.

Surely you have seen them.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Refering more to his word, the Bible.

Hmm' I am not sure what you mean. What difference would it make if his teachings adventures etc were recorded in the Bible or by roman historians or by popular writers of the day? In addition there were accurate records kept as well to make sure taxes were paid and so the government could find you when they wanted to, reports made such as the weird weather and astronomical events at his crucifixion.

You could spend hours listing the condradictions in the Bible.Surely you have seen them.

No I haven't really read them. I have seen a lot of the bible taken out of context, and scripture cherry-picked by people that enjoy attempting to discredit the bible. Many of these people have no theology related education and very little knowledge of what they seem to dislike for vague reasons. I am at a loss of why the unbelievers have an unnatural interest in what they claim is little more than fiction.

Maybe we are defining contradictions differently? No book is without fault, I will give you that, and anything written by man is liable to be corrupted in some form or another. The bible has translation errors and other corruptions, some I believe are intentional. The cannon was a poltical move too, bt it did help clarify some scripture.