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Who was the most influential person to walk the earth?
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SethZaddik
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Maybe this quote from Paul will clear up how Christianity has been able to live with so many lies for so long.
"If my lie abounds to God's glory, why am I being judged a sinner?"
Well, Paul, because lying...IS A SIN!!!
I read about fanatical evengelicals saying (lying) that Mohammed (s.a.w.s) advocated lying often, misinforming trusting Christians every day.
But the only instances lying is acceptable in Islam are if your, for example, overweight spouse asks if they look fat or ugly and you say no you are beautiful.
Or in a war scenario such as if someone seeks to harm you or your people. Obviously you don't inform for your enemies against your friends.
See "Rape of Dinah" in Genesis.
Other than that liars are despised always and nobody does it more than fanatical evangelicals.
Who are so hyper aware of the flaws in their religion they have a strategy to demean all others as "of Satan."
Believe Jesus died for your sins or go to hell they say.
That's compulsion. Psychological compulsion. At least Islam accepts the right of other religions to face the same Judgement based on your deeds in life.
Jesus said forgiveness was attainable through the Baptism of water, not his death.
And who today teaches about the Baptism of Spirit and fire? Correctly?
The most Spiritual aspects of Jesus p teachings reduced to simply getting wet and reading Paul's epistles, as if Jesus did not provide enough information before Ascending.
I get why leaders of the churches are so dishonest about Islam.
It is so great and if people figured it out they'd be out of business.
We got everything in Judaism and Christianity that is good, none of the nonsense.
We just have to endure a lot of slander.
Worth it!
I don't speak of all or most Christians, just the liars I see online who probably have no idea they are even lying.
Most of y'all are cool.
"If my lie abounds to God's glory, why am I being judged a sinner?"
Well, Paul, because lying...IS A SIN!!!
I read about fanatical evengelicals saying (lying) that Mohammed (s.a.w.s) advocated lying often, misinforming trusting Christians every day.
But the only instances lying is acceptable in Islam are if your, for example, overweight spouse asks if they look fat or ugly and you say no you are beautiful.
Or in a war scenario such as if someone seeks to harm you or your people. Obviously you don't inform for your enemies against your friends.
See "Rape of Dinah" in Genesis.
Other than that liars are despised always and nobody does it more than fanatical evangelicals.
Who are so hyper aware of the flaws in their religion they have a strategy to demean all others as "of Satan."
Believe Jesus died for your sins or go to hell they say.
That's compulsion. Psychological compulsion. At least Islam accepts the right of other religions to face the same Judgement based on your deeds in life.
Jesus said forgiveness was attainable through the Baptism of water, not his death.
And who today teaches about the Baptism of Spirit and fire? Correctly?
The most Spiritual aspects of Jesus p teachings reduced to simply getting wet and reading Paul's epistles, as if Jesus did not provide enough information before Ascending.
I get why leaders of the churches are so dishonest about Islam.
It is so great and if people figured it out they'd be out of business.
We got everything in Judaism and Christianity that is good, none of the nonsense.
We just have to endure a lot of slander.
Worth it!
I don't speak of all or most Christians, just the liars I see online who probably have no idea they are even lying.
Most of y'all are cool.
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siti
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So you converted to Islam because I am mistaken about history? I never realized I had so much influence - maybe I should nominate myself as the most influential person.
siti
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And people with overweight spouses apparently!
SethZaddik
Active Member
Brilliant, simply brilliant!
Jesus has evidence for his having existed 2,000 years old, 2 billion strong.
And nobody with any intelligence denies that Mohammed (s.a.w.s) existed or says there is no evidence.
There is hardly a way to say he DIDN'T (s.a.w.s) exist, besides just plain lying and saying it.
SethZaddik
Active Member
I would hope so.
They are not going to be happy otherwise, if they call one another fat.
That's not lying it's politeness.
How desperate of you to make that into something you can get sassy about.
And pointless.
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SethZaddik
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SethZaddik
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So you pretty much have no purpose other than to challenge legitimate history with lies?
I say Islam is good
You say, "It's evil because...It is."
Because you have said nothing negative that was also true regarding Islam and have denied plenty of facts along the way.
If that makes you happy...
siti
Well-Known Member
Why thank you kindly. I am really learning a lot from your peaceful diplomatic approach.
siti
Well-Known Member
Did I? Good heavens - where?
SethZaddik
Active Member
You don't have to thank me for showing how foolish you are.
You do that on your own.
But...your welcome!
Just saying the words peaceful and diplomatic to imply that I am neither hardly makes it so.
I bet you actually think it does though.
siti
Well-Known Member
Oh I feel obliged, especially as there is clearly no need for me to reciprocate.
siti
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't know - I don't have an overweight spouse. My wife does though - maybe I should ask her.
SethZaddik
Active Member
It only seems like I am not being diplomatic because you have been wrong since opening your mouth to challenge historical facts.
Not because I am not diplomatic, you just hate the truth and I tell the truth.
Not because I am not peaceful but because I don't agree with you in your blind allegiance to propaganda and unjustified hate based on lies.
Because I don't share your willingness to repeat said lies.
Vancouversailor
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Yes you are right, I apologize as that statement was somewhat premature and based on a misunderstanding from an article I was reading. However, before long that may change.Where in the world are you getting that idea from???
In fact most predictions are that worldwide, the Muslin population will outnumber Christians by the year 2030 and then gradually leave the latter biting the dust.
siti
Well-Known Member
Nope - not at all - it was your application of the terms like "O slanderer", "O rejecter of truth", "ignorant", "foolish" and "pathetic" that gave it away. Forgive me for asking, but how are these intended to peacefully persuade anyone?
SethZaddik
Active Member
As there are many, I have another reason to add to my nomination of The Prophet of God (saws).
While religous freedom didn't reach Western society until the enlightenment era (which was heavily influenced by, even dependant upon Islam and its examples of religous tolerance in especially earlier Muslim Spain with Christian, Jew and Muslim living together peacefully since...Islam was invited to Spain by an oppressed people and offered assistance by a Visigoth nobleman if they would come and dethrone the current ruler.
Islam practiced religous tolerance since day one, it is in the Qur'an that "there is no compulsion in religion" no forced conversion. And we have zero accounts of anyone being forcefully converted (with the understandable exception of false Messiah Shabbatai(Saturn) Svi, who reversed Mosaic Law and had the Jews of Turkey in debauchery that would make the Jews of Hollywood look saintly) and we have proof, as Zoroastrianism still exist in Iran and Christianity in Muslim lands, Jews themselves if they are honest will admit that throughout the history of the Diaspora no culture was better to the Jews than the Muslims, Baghdad and Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Arabia always had religous freedom as all Muslim controlled nations guarantee.
The first Abrahamic scripture to propose the concept of a "Universal", or not specific to either Christianity or Judaism while everyone else is effed, Heaven or Paradise is the Qur'an.
The New Testament teaches, according to Christianity but not Catholicism after Vatican ll (when they saw the light), that ONLY "saved" Christians, whatever that means, have even the option of Heaven.
So as far as modern religions we have a history of are concerned, especially among the Abrahamic religions, Islam LITERALLY invented religous tolerance.
That is not an exaggeration. Islam teaches this now and it did since Mohammed (saws).
It took over 1,000 years for Europe to follow suit.
America didn't invent freedom of religion, Islam did.
Both still protect it and neither practice forced conversion.
And btw, hiding your face on camera so nobody knows your identity, pretending to be Muslims only to ruin Islam (IS), is not Islam, not a reflection of Islam, they can say they are whatever they want but they don't practice or represent Islam and could just as easily be mercenaries for hire doing a job and not Muslims at all. They could be British behind those masks, Israeli, American, nobody actually knows.
So don't even try making it an issue to counter facts you despise, which would be despicable itself, and is if you actually despise the truth being good about Islam.
Today the highest populations of Muslims are not in Mid East countries but India, Pakistan and other places.
Pakistan is a US ally with Nuclear weapons, Saudi Arabia is the most despised Muslim country because of Wahhabism, sponsored by E.U. and the White House and hated by the other 95.5% of Muslims worldwide for their oppressive ways and loyalty to the West who likewise despises Wahhabism but takes it out on other Muslims the US hasn't corrupted, the innocent civilians of Iraq and Syria who flee from terrorism only to be labeled terrorists by the West.
But outside of Western corrupted nations like S.A. and Pakistan, the Muslim world is peaceful. Like in neighboring India and all the countries not currently being gassed and bombed by Assad, US or Russia at the behest of Israel.
There is far more evil lurking in our own house to be slandering Islam for what?Being constantly persecuted for decades for no crime whatsoever?
How dare they endure colonial oppression, religous persecution and slander, intolerance and never ending propaganda campaigns?
While religous freedom didn't reach Western society until the enlightenment era (which was heavily influenced by, even dependant upon Islam and its examples of religous tolerance in especially earlier Muslim Spain with Christian, Jew and Muslim living together peacefully since...Islam was invited to Spain by an oppressed people and offered assistance by a Visigoth nobleman if they would come and dethrone the current ruler.
Islam practiced religous tolerance since day one, it is in the Qur'an that "there is no compulsion in religion" no forced conversion. And we have zero accounts of anyone being forcefully converted (with the understandable exception of false Messiah Shabbatai(Saturn) Svi, who reversed Mosaic Law and had the Jews of Turkey in debauchery that would make the Jews of Hollywood look saintly) and we have proof, as Zoroastrianism still exist in Iran and Christianity in Muslim lands, Jews themselves if they are honest will admit that throughout the history of the Diaspora no culture was better to the Jews than the Muslims, Baghdad and Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Arabia always had religous freedom as all Muslim controlled nations guarantee.
The first Abrahamic scripture to propose the concept of a "Universal", or not specific to either Christianity or Judaism while everyone else is effed, Heaven or Paradise is the Qur'an.
The New Testament teaches, according to Christianity but not Catholicism after Vatican ll (when they saw the light), that ONLY "saved" Christians, whatever that means, have even the option of Heaven.
So as far as modern religions we have a history of are concerned, especially among the Abrahamic religions, Islam LITERALLY invented religous tolerance.
That is not an exaggeration. Islam teaches this now and it did since Mohammed (saws).
It took over 1,000 years for Europe to follow suit.
America didn't invent freedom of religion, Islam did.
Both still protect it and neither practice forced conversion.
And btw, hiding your face on camera so nobody knows your identity, pretending to be Muslims only to ruin Islam (IS), is not Islam, not a reflection of Islam, they can say they are whatever they want but they don't practice or represent Islam and could just as easily be mercenaries for hire doing a job and not Muslims at all. They could be British behind those masks, Israeli, American, nobody actually knows.
So don't even try making it an issue to counter facts you despise, which would be despicable itself, and is if you actually despise the truth being good about Islam.
Today the highest populations of Muslims are not in Mid East countries but India, Pakistan and other places.
Pakistan is a US ally with Nuclear weapons, Saudi Arabia is the most despised Muslim country because of Wahhabism, sponsored by E.U. and the White House and hated by the other 95.5% of Muslims worldwide for their oppressive ways and loyalty to the West who likewise despises Wahhabism but takes it out on other Muslims the US hasn't corrupted, the innocent civilians of Iraq and Syria who flee from terrorism only to be labeled terrorists by the West.
But outside of Western corrupted nations like S.A. and Pakistan, the Muslim world is peaceful. Like in neighboring India and all the countries not currently being gassed and bombed by Assad, US or Russia at the behest of Israel.
There is far more evil lurking in our own house to be slandering Islam for what?Being constantly persecuted for decades for no crime whatsoever?
How dare they endure colonial oppression, religous persecution and slander, intolerance and never ending propaganda campaigns?
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SethZaddik
Active Member
I forgot to end my story about Al- Andalus/Spain.
I believe about the time Colombus was trying to find a shortcut to India and happened to stumble upon the so called New world that would be ethnically cleansed within centuries to the point few Native Americans survive today.
Europe was ethnically cleansing Spain of all Muslims and Jews. By ethnically cleansing I mean killing non white-European-Christians, Arabs and Jews, until Spain had no more.
How Christ like!
But very European nonetheless. I am European too so not prejudiced against white people.
Just ethnic cleansing.
Like the Crusaders in Jerusalem did before that.
Europe was so poor it had to hire people to pillage and plunder on way to Jerusalem in search of...wealth and power, that Muslims had, and Europe... didn't.
So they murdered everyone in Jerusalem and stole whatever wherever whenever, assured BY THE POPE, TOTAL FORGIVENESS OF SINS for any crime done for the good of the Church.
That is a LITERAL license to sin...heinously and in any way.
I believe about the time Colombus was trying to find a shortcut to India and happened to stumble upon the so called New world that would be ethnically cleansed within centuries to the point few Native Americans survive today.
Europe was ethnically cleansing Spain of all Muslims and Jews. By ethnically cleansing I mean killing non white-European-Christians, Arabs and Jews, until Spain had no more.
How Christ like!
But very European nonetheless. I am European too so not prejudiced against white people.
Just ethnic cleansing.
Like the Crusaders in Jerusalem did before that.
Europe was so poor it had to hire people to pillage and plunder on way to Jerusalem in search of...wealth and power, that Muslims had, and Europe... didn't.
So they murdered everyone in Jerusalem and stole whatever wherever whenever, assured BY THE POPE, TOTAL FORGIVENESS OF SINS for any crime done for the good of the Church.
That is a LITERAL license to sin...heinously and in any way.
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SethZaddik
Active Member
In psychology a thing called projection exists, a concept where one's own inadequacies are "transferred or projected" to whoever is available.
A perfect example would be if your religion is known historically for having been forced upon six continents "by the sword" and recorded its own history of persecution because it believed it was the will of God in the name of Christ to have the "Inquisition" and "Crusades" recorded proudly, and Christ forced upon "heathens."
If since Iranaeus your religion has been proud of persecuting and claimed to have once been persecuted itself, an act of pure hypocrisy...
I kind of understand why it is so important for Christians to slander Islam as a religion likewise spread allegedly "by the sword."
If a politician is caught in a scandal like Clinton and Lewinsky you can expect some deception and distraction in the form of lies or worse (Clinton sent a military strike somewhere I forget exactly).
Likewise a Church with a bad history like the RCC has owned up to, non Catholic believers are stuck with admissions of guilt by the original Church from where their offshoots sprang that peace played no part in the spread of their religion.
All one can do is try, by deception, slander, propaganda and just plain lies, to make a better religion with an honorable history that is unfamiliar to most seem worse by comparison.
Try being the important word, as it may look like everyone thinks this way about Islam, it is truly just the ignorant.
Lies NEVER "Abound to God's glory."
Though Paul says otherwise, it proves lies were the foundation of his theology that knows nothing of a historical Jesus p.
A perfect example would be if your religion is known historically for having been forced upon six continents "by the sword" and recorded its own history of persecution because it believed it was the will of God in the name of Christ to have the "Inquisition" and "Crusades" recorded proudly, and Christ forced upon "heathens."
If since Iranaeus your religion has been proud of persecuting and claimed to have once been persecuted itself, an act of pure hypocrisy...
I kind of understand why it is so important for Christians to slander Islam as a religion likewise spread allegedly "by the sword."
If a politician is caught in a scandal like Clinton and Lewinsky you can expect some deception and distraction in the form of lies or worse (Clinton sent a military strike somewhere I forget exactly).
Likewise a Church with a bad history like the RCC has owned up to, non Catholic believers are stuck with admissions of guilt by the original Church from where their offshoots sprang that peace played no part in the spread of their religion.
All one can do is try, by deception, slander, propaganda and just plain lies, to make a better religion with an honorable history that is unfamiliar to most seem worse by comparison.
Try being the important word, as it may look like everyone thinks this way about Islam, it is truly just the ignorant.
Lies NEVER "Abound to God's glory."
Though Paul says otherwise, it proves lies were the foundation of his theology that knows nothing of a historical Jesus p.