Who will enter the paradise , the christains , the jews ,the muslims

[Zardoz]

I seek refuge in God from satan the rejected.
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

I submit to God alone, and I prefer to refer to myself as a submitter to God alone rather than a muslim, even though I was raised as a muslim.

Technically, muslim means submitter in Arabic, but unfortunately, many ignorant people these days think that being a muslim means idolizing muhammad, a prophet in islam. So, that's why I do not regard myself as a muslim, especially when I speak to Americanized people.

In my heart, I truly am a muslim, as i do worship God alone. I believe that anyone who submits to God alone is truly a submitter, and therefore a muslim. So true submitters who are christian and jewish, can regard themselves as muslim too.

So , in the Quran, it says that muslims can enter paradise. the jews and christians can enter paradise too because they existed before "islam" and there fore how can people before muhammad not enter paradise? HOw could have all those people who lived before Muhammad's time go to hell. Not possible.

Therefore, every human being has a possibblity, a chance of going to heaven .. regardless of what they call themselves, or what they say there belief is.

This forum is a great start into entering paradise. may God help us all.

Peace.

I quote your whole post, for truth. Rarely do I see hope for unity, the hope that brings me to RF. Those who see the Inclusive rather than the Exclusive are special indeed. When will Peace come? When all the Children of Abraham make peace with each other... then that peace will flow outward to all the Nations of Man. So long as the Exclusive mindset holds the heart of all our people in fear and distrust and malice... peace will not come. For all the Abrahamic People I say this.

We can bring the Kingdom of G-d... here... now... Heaven on Earth. If only we choose to.

 

[Godobeyer]

I quote your whole post, for truth. Rarely do I see hope for unity, the hope that brings me to RF. Those who see the Inclusive rather than the Exclusive are special indeed. When will Peace come? When all the Children of Abraham make peace with each other... then that peace will flow outward to all the Nations of Man. So long as the Exclusive mindset holds the heart of all our people in fear and distrust and malice... peace will not come. For all the Abrahamic People I say this.

We can bring the Kingdom of G-d... here... now... Heaven on Earth. If only we choose to.

If all the world thinking like you ... we will be live in the enternity peace ...thank you so much for your posts

 

[arimoff]

A story about Chief of Town in egypt , called to main chefs of the there religions in that town , '"Imam" a muslim , and a "Clergyman" christain and a "Rabbi" jew ... He asked them : "i want for every one of you to prove me that , his religion is right, and guide to the paradise "... every one of them quiete (did not speak)...... then they dicided to choice the muslim to speak first..... the muslim said " if the jews will be enter the paradise , we will be with them ,because we believe in Moses , and if the Christains will be in the paradise we will be with them, because we believe in Jesus , and if we (Muslims) will be in the paradise , they will not, because they did not believe in Mohammed ".

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Sounds more logical to say that Muslims and Christians are the ones not going to paradise since both came from Judaism and both claim Judaism is not kosher any more with desire to take its place.

People don't go to paradise because of their religion, people go to paradise because they deserve it.

 

[Wotan]

Silly question. Assumes facts not in evidence; God(s) and an afterlife.

The answer is none of the above. There ain't no such place. Never was never will be.

Of threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
One thing at least is certain--This Life flies;
One thing is certain and the rest is Lies;
The Flower that once has blown for ever dies.

Strange, is it not? that of the myriads who
Before us pass'd the door of Darkness through,
Not one returns to tell us of the Road,
Which to discover we must travel too.

The Revelations of Devout and Learn'd
Who rose before us, and as Prophets burn'd,
Are all but Stories, which, awoke from Sleep
They told their comrades, and to Sleep return'd.

 

[tarasan]

Silly question. Assumes facts not in evidence; God(s) and an afterlife.

The answer is none of the above. There ain't no such place. Never was never will be.

Of threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
One thing at least is certain--This Life flies;
One thing is certain and the rest is Lies;
The Flower that once has blown for ever dies.

Strange, is it not? that of the myriads who
Before us pass'd the door of Darkness through,
Not one returns to tell us of the Road,
Which to discover we must travel too.

The Revelations of Devout and Learn'd
Who rose before us, and as Prophets burn'd,
Are all but Stories, which, awoke from Sleep
They told their comrades, and to Sleep return'd.

awesome can you please provide evidence for this assurtion?

 

[.lava]

The answer is none of the above. There ain't no such place. Never was never will be.

OP is not asking if there is hell and heaven. what you say is not even about this thread therefor it is off-topic IMO

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[Godobeyer]

Sounds more logical to say that Muslims and Christians are the ones not going to paradise since both came from Judaism and both claim Judaism is not kosher any more with desire to take its place.

People don't go to paradise because of their religion, people go to paradise because they deserve it.

the question how you deserve to got the paradise ?
the answer is very simple ... is to believe in Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and believe in divine good and evils ,

don't tell that who did not believe in god and his messengers will enter to his paradise ? with who believe in him...this is not faire

 

[PolyHedral]

To answer the title, the cheese-makers. Or possibly the computer scientists.

Godobeyer, is a there a reason why people need to "deserve" paradise?

 

[YmirGF]

and if we (Muslims) will be in the paradise , they will not, because they did not believe in Mohammed ".

Which is reason enough to not want any part of the dwarfed vision of the Muslim "paradise". I'll pass, thanks.

 

[arimoff]

the question how you deserve to got the paradise ?
the answer is very simple ... is to believe in Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and believe in divine good and evils ,

don't tell that who did not believe in god and his messengers will enter to his paradise ? with who believe in him...this is not faire

No, you deserve by using your brains and no matter what, you retain the title human being and act accordingly using your intellect, the same intellect that separates us from animals.

keeping paradise only for those who believe in what you have mentioned is very narrow, you just can't be a monotheist and limit G-D by sticking him in the view scope of Muhammad and take Jesus with you on the ride.

Even Judaism, the same Judaism that played a major roll in a creation of Christianity and Islam never claims that only Jews go to paradise.

You see there is one little problem in accepting Jesus or Muhammad, they took the original massage, a massage witch calls to serve G-D but not to serve Him directly but only trough Jesus or Muhammad. No where in the original massage the Torah will you find Moses saying your path to G-D is only through me.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

A story about Chief of Town in egypt , called to main chefs of the there religions in that town , '"Imam" a muslim , and a "Clergyman" christain and a "Rabbi" jew ... He asked them : "i want for every one of you to prove me that , his religion is right, and guide to the paradise "... every one of them quiete (did not speak)...... then they dicided to choice the muslim to speak first..... the muslim said " if the jews will be enter the paradise , we will be with them ,because we believe in Moses , and if the Christains will be in the paradise we will be with them, because we believe in Jesus , and if we (Muslims) will be in the paradise , they will not, because they did not believe in Mohammed ".

And yet the Quran says that Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sabeans, and Polytheists who do good will be in paradise. You can find this statement althroughout the Quran. Even though the Quran perscribes a strange salvation method for Polytheists, it says that Polytheists should be subjected to an Islamic state, so they can be forced to pay taxes and have some good deeds to their credit. The Quran, just like the Bible, grossly generalizes and demonizes Paganism. Muhammad never saw any Pagans outside of Arabia, so when he speaks of them in the Quran, he can only be speaking of Pre-Islamic Arabic Paganism.

 

[.lava]

And yet the Quran says that Muslims, Jews, Christians, Sabeans, and Polytheists who do good will be in paradise. You can find this statement althroughout the Quran. Even though the Quran perscribes a strange salvation method for Polytheists, it says that Polytheists should be subjected to an Islamic state, so they can be forced to pay taxes and have some good deeds to their credit. The Quran, just like the Bible, grossly generalizes and demonizes Paganism. Muhammad never saw any Pagans outside of Arabia, so when he speaks of them in the Quran, he can only be speaking of Pre-Islamic Arabic Paganism.

in Qur'an, when it is said "people of the book" it means Christians and Jews. if i am not mistaken it does not refer to Polytheists. but if you are sure, i would like to read one of the verses you mention because i can't recall any

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[Godobeyer]

No, you deserve by using your brains and no matter what, you retain the title human being and act accordingly using your intellect, the same intellect that separates us from animals.

keeping paradise only for those who believe in what you have mentioned is very narrow, you just can't be a monotheist and limit G-D by sticking him in the view scope of Muhammad and take Jesus with you on the ride.

Even Judaism, the same Judaism that played a major roll in a creation of Christianity and Islam never claims that only Jews go to paradise.

You see there is one little problem in accepting Jesus or Muhammad, they took the original massage, a massage witch calls to serve G-D but not to serve Him directly but only trough Jesus or Muhammad. No where in the original massage the Torah will you find Moses saying your path to G-D is only through me.

If its like you saying ... why God sent all these messengers to us ?!!! to know him right ? and He told us that there will be reward (paradise) to who believe in him and there will be a punish (hell) , I wonder how you say this in spite all the messangers and the books that we have ???!!!!:run:

 

[arimoff]

If its like you saying ... why God sent all these messengers to us ?!!! to know him right ? and He told us that there will be reward (paradise) to who believe in him and there will be a punish (hell) , I wonder how you say this in spite all the messangers and the books that we have ???!!!!:run:

I don't exactly understand what you are trying to say.

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't exactly understand what you are trying to say.

I tried to tell that God sent us Noah , IBrahim, Moses , Jesus , and Muhammad ( Peace be unpon him all ) to know him ??right ???

 

[Wotan]

OP is not asking if there is hell and heaven. what you say is not even about this thread therefor it is off-topic IMO

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Who will enter the paradise , the christains , the jews ,the muslims
THAT was the question. The answer is: None of the above.

And why none? Because the question assumes facts not in evidence. NO one has ever demonstrated the existence of any such place(s) nor any afterlife of any kind. Absent such evidence we may conclude no such place(s) exist.

Unless of course YOU have such evidence.

Aynway thank you for your opinion. That and $1 will get me a cup of coffee. In some places.

 

[Kerr]

the question how you deserve to got the paradise ?
the answer is very simple ... is to believe in Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and believe in divine good and evils ,

don't tell that who did not believe in god and his messengers will enter to his paradise ? with who believe in him...this is not faire

It would be completely fair if people are accepted into paradise for who they are and what they have done instead of what they have believed in, so yes, it would be completely fair if people who "disbelieves" would enter paradise.

For the record, I don´t believe in any paradise and does not even want to enter one.

 

[.lava]

Who will enter the paradise , the christains , the jews ,the muslims
THAT was the question. The answer is: None of the above.

And why none? Because the question assumes facts not in evidence. NO one has ever demonstrated the existence of any such place(s) nor any afterlife of any kind. Absent such evidence we may conclude no such place(s) exist.

Unless of course YOU have such evidence.

Aynway thank you for your opinion. That and $1 will get me a cup of coffee. In some places.

but majority of Muslims, Christians and Jews do believe in afterlife, right? see? nobody is questioning evidence here and OP does not even mention the word 'evidence' if i am not mistaken...

well, whatever. and your welcome. actually, coffee would be good right now

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[Kerr]

I tried to tell that God sent us Noah , IBrahim, Moses , Jesus , and Muhammad ( Peace be unpon him all ) to know him ??right ???

Depends on who you ask, doesn´t it?

 

[arimoff]

I tried to tell that God sent us Noah , IBrahim, Moses , Jesus , and Muhammad ( Peace be unpon him all ) to know him ??right ???

No. no.