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Who Would This Person Be Within Hinduism

Satyamavejayanti

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="wizanda, post: 4777300, member: 1032"]Namaste Satyamavejayanti-Ji,

Namaste,

Vishnu has still chosen to be sent... :confused:

No, not chosen, no one chooses Vishnu to take Avatara.

Oneness doesn't mean reducing, it means unity of ideas, it means acting as a whole, thus the essence of the Dharma is to follow Oneness.
To not be following Oneness, and to find divide everywhere is Adharma, as it is moving away from unity into ego.

Not correct, "following" anything is not specifically Dharmah, Dharmah is not religion, I think this is where your getting confused. It is religions that profess oneness that are usually causing Hinsa to people. And in Hinduism there is a different concept of Oneness, with Hindus it is not acting as a whole but Oneness is realizing that our Atman is of the Same Nature - Sat-Chit-Annand, this is the Hindu version of Oneness,

That isn't Adharma or contrary to Oneness, if someone is an evil scumbag who robs, exploits and hurts other people in countless lifes, and another has found that living in harmony with all others, one is following Dharma the other isn't....

It is not about "following Dharmah", but doing Dharmah Karma. Or Acting in a Dharmic manner. Ones Karma determines if One is Dharmic or Adharmic. But then to class some as Godly and Others as not according to their religion and not their Karma is Adharmah, this is what i mean. So Kalki never classes people according to their religion.

Now i can understand you're take on it, that Brahman is going to wait for everyone to evolve; yet Brahman already knows who will and won't, so there is no point waiting if things are only going to get worse, and some people are clearly not going the right way.

This is not the Hindu Idea of Brahman, the Hindu says that our essential nature is Brahman, That we are Brahman and we are Sat-Chit-Annand. None is waiting for anyone.

As asking previously, would need to find the sources of this authors summary; yet that clearly is saying those who are enlightened remain, the rest don't.

I think that you would find in the first sentence it states that "When", the remaining become enlighted, not that the remaining are already the enlightened ones. Please do provide the sources.

Brahman is Sat Chit Ananda, and those who understand that, can become it....

Yet our Atman is far from it, like some of us suffering with suicidal depression, are hardly in constant bliss.

Incorrect, Our Atman is Brahman and Sat-Chit-Annand, we have to realize that we already are Brahman by ridding ignorance/Maya of separation from Brahman. Regarding depression you are confusing Atman with Manas.

There are duality Hindu views as well; personally find that we're all divine laughable, when you consider the state of the world, and the reasons why.

Even in Dvaita, the nature of the Atman is Sat-Chit Anand. We are not all Divine, but our Atman is Sat-Chit-Annad.

You're contradicting your self, Vishnu returns to earth, it says he is born, therefore that is the same as saying sent....
If it didn't say he was born, and hadn't returned from somewhere, then maybe it would make sense.

I think Jay has answered this fully.

That aspect of directly saying he studies the religions isn't there; yet it does say he will create peace, fix the Dharma (globally), which means you need to know everyone's religious beliefs and wording, else they'll all not listen to you, unless you speak from their own books....

As i have said many times, and will put in Bold - Dharmah is not the same as religion.
And Hinduism is not a tradition that relies only on Books.

Like saying Adharma as everyone is so divided, they refuse divine instruction, unless it suits their own ego.

No, Adharmah is not division based on religion or ideas, Adharmah is when these divisions cause Hinsa, it is forced Oneness or forced belief that is Hinsa, even divine revelations can be Adharmic. To refuse divine instructions is not Adharmic. I think you need to understand the concept of Dharmah in its many contexts.

Seems like there is the place Kalki rules from, and then establishing peace around the world as well, reiterating the true Dharma to everyone.

No he was just Born there, and goes back to his home town, never establishes that place as the center for Dharmah.

You can't fix someone's faulty religious ideas, without knowing their beliefs, and where they're wrong.

Again, you misunderstand Dharmah.

At the time of Mahapralaya, as everything is removed, all the other ideologies are recording the affects...
It is just Hindu texts don't seem to emphasize all the gore, as this happens.

Mahapralay is not destruction, it is transformation. Plus Mahapralay is not at the end of the Yuga.

Suppose using the word resurrection is the problem, as really no one with God is dead; it is only our faulty perception that blinds us from seeing them....
Yet as posting above, the article is suggesting that Siddhas shall remain, and the rest are not.

Well then there is no such thing as Resurrection.

I'm fascinated to understand the subject more from the actual text; yet finding many points where it is a religious wording miscomprehension of these events, that are said to happen in numerous religions, currently don't believe the text is wrong, just people's misunderstanding from only studying one text out of many globally.

Well there is your first problem, your limited to the Puranas only. Hindu texts will fill a library, why only these 3 of 4 Puranas interest your comparison.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
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No, Vishnu is not sent.
Ultimately for anything to happen, it is Brahman's choice...Even if someone decided to come back.
I thought all that was explained before and made clear, several times, there is little to no comparison between Hindu beliefs and Revelation.
And so far most have been wrong, which is why we've moved into a debate section, as everyone is asserting opinions that don't necessarily match the text.
http://www.yoga-philosophy.com/eng/kalki/kalki.htm
There are numerous articles across the web showing the similarities between Revelations and Kalki.... Yet a quick list is:
  • Both ride on the white horse to end the age of deception, by fighting against the iniquity with the words of his mouth.
  • Both bring forth an age of enlightenment.
  • After they've come the saints shall return, and shall remain on earth.
  • Both come from Heaven.
  • Both bring the end of the age.
  • Both will reestablish righteous practise (dharma), and rule the earth.
  • Both have a special name.
  • etc... :innocent:
No, not chosen, no one chooses Vishnu to take Avatara.
Vishnu chooses to come back.
Not correct, "following" anything is not specifically Dharmah, Dharmah is not religion, I think this is where your getting confused.
Oneness is the name of Heaven, Dharma is the Way...

So saying I'm wrong, as you've inserted your own misunderstanding of Oneness to only be limited to one aspect of Hinduism, when not everyone sees it like that, is silly.

It is Oneness in the beginning of creation, that unified the Heavens, the Dharma was the core of the beliefs that came from this.
But then to class some as Godly and Others as not according to their religion
If someone's religion says it is right to eat babies, and murder the innocent, that leads to bad karma; so therefore the religion can dictate someones Karma.
So Kalki never classes people according to their religion.
Kalki might have reasons that some religions might be adharmic...There might be logical reasons to do so, and prophesied throughout time it would happen.
It is not about "following Dharmah", but doing Dharmah Karma.
If people are walking (following) in a path of righteousness (dharma), then they will create good karma by their deeds....If they don't follow righteousness, they're likely to do bad deeds (adharma).
This is not the Hindu Idea of Brahman, the Hindu says that our essential nature is Brahman, That we are Brahman and we are Sat-Chit-Annand.
That is only one school of thought of Hinduism, some people believe in duality....Though Brahman is the source of all atman.

It is easier to understand like this, Brahman is the CPU manifesting the Matrix we see around us; our atman exists within the Matrix, thus without Brahman our atman wouldn't exist, yet not the other way around, Brahman doesn't need us to exist.
None is waiting for anyone.
Brahman is waiting for us all to evolve spiritually, as the whole meaning of life is for that reason....Else why bother sending messengers throughout history.
Regarding depression you are confusing Atman with Manas.
Not confused anything, we don't know where depression comes from, some can be within the mind, and some the soul.
Incorrect, Our Atman is Brahman and Sat-Chit-Annand, we have to realize that we already are Brahman by ridding ignorance/Maya of separation from Brahman.
As saying previously, we're only a program running in the Matrix, we're not the CPU; we're not in constant bliss in a pure state of consciousness, and only if we're dead can we attain being even close to Brahman, as matter is slowed down consciousness that isn't pure.
We are not all Divine, but our Atman is Sat-Chit-Annad.
Our atman is only in a state of sat chit ananda, when it is focused on Brahman, through following the right ways (dharma) to be part of Oneness.

  • See we can't have truth, or existence (sat) without Brahman, and some people in life move away from the source, thus suffer more.
  • We don't have consciousness or understanding, unless Brahman allows us to.
  • Ananda is the divine bliss at the beginning of creation, and i've only met children who maintain that joy, adults generally forget the source of that energy.

Thus in all of them atman is just a vessel, unless it is filled by the divine spirit of Brahman.
Dharmah is not the same as religion.
Where did i say it was a religion; was referring to that to get everyone to follow righteousness (dharma), you need to be able to speak from people's own understanding.
No, Adharmah is not division based on religion or ideas
Oneness is the ultimate goal of all the messengers, they all taught dharma which is the right path to following Oneness....

When people say my book or religion is separate, they're not following Oneness, thus didn't understand the Dharma was one from the offset.

Their own ego has blinded them to understanding the whole, thus they can never be part of Brahman, and will always remain in the Maya until they get this.
forced belief that is Hinsa
Maybe in times of the inquisition; yet someone putting ideas across and evidence, is just fact; we can take it or leave it....

Yet clearly when you're ego is so big, you keep telling others they're wrong all the time, and that you're right, that is different; as it comes from arrogance, and not Oneness/dharma.
To refuse divine instructions is not Adharmic.
So a voice in your head says don't do that, as it will lead to much suffering, and you ignore it as your ego wants you to serve yourself first...Think that leads to adharmic action.

or Kalki comes to fix the world, and you spend all your time arguing with him from your ego, trying to show why he is wrong, as your text doesn't say that in your understanding; yet missing out that many might learn from what he could teach globally.
goes back to his home town, never establishes that place as the center for Dharmah.
'Shambhala is a Sanskrit term meaning place of peace/tranquility/happiness'... And from there he shall teach the dharma; thus it is a symbolic place.
Again, you misunderstand Dharmah.
People get their ideas of dharma from their religious beliefs, if these are faulty, then it is possible they can follow adharma by bad beliefs....

Thus for Kalki to correct everyone's dharma, he must know their beliefs to correct and guide.
Well then there is no such thing as Resurrection.
It is only a different word used was the point, the same thing happening is discussed in multiple text.
Plus Mahapralay is not at the end of the Yuga.
Within multiple other texts, they happen at the same time; the new reality shall occur after the adharma is removed, then all shall be one with God.
Mahapralay is not destruction, it is transformation.
This is the bit your not getting, ungodly beings can't be in the presence of Brahman...

So within multiple prophecies it is portrayed as people burning, which is merely the light of God being so strong it washes all the darkness away, so for many it is a destruction.

As for many of the other things prophesied as destruction, take into account the Bible says God is 'removing those who damage the Earth'.
why only these 3 of 4 Puranas interest your comparison.
Without spending years reading, was why i thought to ask Hindus about their eschatology; though so far found it easier to look it up on Google instead. :innocent:
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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And so far most have been wrong, which is why we've moved into a debate section, as everyone is asserting opinions that don't necessarily match the text.
http://www.yoga-philosophy.com/eng/kalki/kalki.htm
There are numerous articles across the web showing the similarities between Revelations and Kalki.... Yet a quick list is:

You aer basing your entire premise on this line "At that time the Kalki avatara will come, and He'll take a sword on the horseback, just like a king send from heaven"?

  • Both ride on the white horse to end the age of deception, by fighting against the iniquity with the words of his mouth.
  • Both bring forth an age of enlightenment.
  • After they've come the saints shall return, and shall remain on earth.
  • Both come from Heaven.
  • Both bring the end of the age.
  • Both will reestablish righteous practise (dharma), and rule the earth.
  • Both have a special name.
  • etc... :innocent:

Wrong.

The rider of the white horse in Revelation is not God.
There are no "returning" saints mentioned in Hindu scripture.
There is no Heaven in Hindu theology comparable to what you are trying to force.
Kalki will not rule the Earth.

The name Kalki means "destroyer of filth". What is the name of the horseman in Revelation?

You're grasping, and I'm not sure how much plainer I or anyone else can say it, you are trying to superimpose Christian theology onto Hinduism. There is no comparison between the two. I don't know why you're trying to show a comparison when there is none.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
The rider of the white horse in Revelation is not God.
The rider of the white horse is divine, and called king of kings, lord of lords, which Biblically is applied to YHVH....

Some think it is Yeshua, yet either way, it would be someone divine come back from Heaven.
There are no "returning" saints mentioned in Hindu scripture.
Kalki is the 10th avatar of Vishnu; therefore Vishnu is returning....Also Shiva returns at the end of all things.
There is no Heaven in Hindu theology comparable to what you are trying to force.
I'm not trying to force anything; Heaven is in a place of pure consciousness, which is better known as Oneness; I'm speaking from my NDE, and as far as i was aware of Hinduism, its definition of Heaven, was the closest to what I've experienced.
Kalki will not rule the Earth.
'The Kalki Purana (28.28-30) also describes how Lord Kalki made arrangements for the management of the territory for peaceful existence. "Thereafter, the unlimitedly powerful Lord Kalki continued to reside at Shambhala, and He gave [the lands of] Kankanadesha and Kalapadesha to King Vishakhayupa to rule. Later on, Lord Kalki ordered His son, Kritavarma, to rule numerous other kingdoms, such as Chola, Varvara, and Karva, which were under the jurisdiction of Dvaraka. Lord Kalki respectfully offered heaps of jewels and other kinds of wealth to His father, and, indeed, He satisfied all the citizens of Shambhala. He then continued to happily reside there as a householder, along with His wives, Ramaa and Padmavati. It was at this time that Satya-yuga recommenced."'

'The Kalki Purana (30.2-5) further relates the auspicious conditions that were found while Lord Kalki ruled the planet. "With Lord Kalki sitting upon the royal throne, the Vedas, the religious principles, Satya-yuga personified, the demigods, and indeed all other moving and non-moving living entities became greatly satisfied. In the previous yuga, the Brahmanas had worshiped the demigods, and to bewilder the masses of people, they had displayed some minuscule mystic powers. During the reign of Lord Kalki, all such cheating practices were stopped so that no atheists or hypocrites could be seen within His kingdom. Lord Kalki thus happily resided in the city of Shambhala."'
What is the name of the horseman in Revelation?
The name is not known, other by than the rider on the horse; yet is known as the king of kings, and lord of lords...

Yet this indicates it is a special name, as all titles in the Hebrew Bible have symbolic meaning.
You're grasping, and I'm not sure how much plainer I or anyone else can say it, you are trying to superimpose Christian theology onto Hinduism.
Not grasping in the slightest, this is easy to substantiate; as for imposing Christian ideology, that would be a stupid thing to do, as Christianity is wrong, I'm just showing how the eschatology fits together globally....

As saying there are loads of websites and people all coming to a similar conclusion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Shiva does not go anywhere.
Lalita Trishati 55 'Śiva dances ferociously at the time of cosmic annihilation, which is also known as mahākalpa. When Śiva dances fiercely at the time of great dissolution (mahākalpa) and none was around except Parāśakti, who just witnesses this terrible act of Śiva. The great dissolution means the universe ceases to exist and nothing remains except Śiva and Śaktī.'
It doesn't.
Thank you for your opinion, if you had text to make a case, it would be interesting; yet conjecture, and bold red letters don't really count for evidence. :D
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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The great dissolution means the universe ceases to exist and nothing remains except Śiva and Śaktī.'

You said he comes back. That line indicates he doesn't go anywhere. And you have to remember that is not the whole of Hindu belief. Other denominations and sects who have different gods or goddesses as supreme have different beliefs.

Thank you for your opinion, if you had text to make a case, it would be interesting; yet conjecture, and bold red letters don't really count for evidence.

We've shown you over and over.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
You said he comes back. That line indicates he doesn't go anywhere.
There is a physical and metaphysical plain of existence, to come here you've got to be made manifest. :innocent:
See post 9, sentence 3.
My gut reaction was that your question was not about getting answers, but more about setting up for a debate.
The topic was because i earnestly thought you'd all be aware of the eschatology of Hinduism, save me having to check it....

Yet as the conversation has progressed, with lots of snarky comments made, realized it is the same as most other religions, people have no clue what is going on.
We've shown you over and over.
This is why it has turned into a debate, as whereas i keep posting sources; just keep getting told I'm wrong, as that is what the individual believes without evidence.
And you have to remember that is not the whole of Hindu belief. Other denominations and sects who have different gods or goddesses as supreme have different beliefs.
Well that was why i thought to ask you all, as was wondering if there are any other clearer prophecies within Hinduism that match the original question. :)
 

Vinayaka

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I don't even know what eshatology is. I always find it interesting when outsiders to Hinduism tell us that we know nothing about Hinduism. It's also interesting to me how neutral comments are seen as negative. For example.

"I'm not Christian" (a neutral comment)
"So then you dislike Christianity."

Seems to me that's some jump in logic.

Although the idea of debating is by no means totally outside the Hindu paradigm, for the average Hindu it is. There were a few scholars from history who took part in it, and in fact there are some very famous debates historically. But most of us couldn't be bothered. So this entire idea is just another 'outside the paradigm' idea. I think you might like some of the outsider stuff written about us though. people like Doniger and Witzel view us through their non-Hindu paradigms.

But it's all good. I say that in all sincerity as there is no emotion attached to all of this.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
"I'm not Christian" (a neutral comment)
"So then you dislike Christianity."

Seems to me that's some jump in logic.
If someone asked me if I'm christian, i feels its an insult...As been debating its errors for the last 12 years. ;)
I don't even know what eshatology is.
'noun: eschatology
the part of theology concerned with death, judgement, and the final destiny of the soul and of humankind.'
Although the idea of debating is by no means totally outside the Hindu paradigm, for the average Hindu it is.
Used to not like the word debate, and thought always better to relate; yet we learn the most from the hardest route. :innocent:
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It was you who made the jump of me disliking Christianity, when all I did was point out some very huge differences in paradigms. When does stating a difference turn into a dislike?

I didn't say I wanted to know what it (that big word) was. I just said I didn't know what it was. I'm quite fine not learning about stuff from other paradigms.

That is not to say it may not be very useful for some people. It's just that on a personal level, my faith gives me all I could ever want and more. So why go exploring anything else? So what other see as narrow-minded, I just see as contentment with what I have.

I have nothing against debating, and the idea that we learn the most from the hardest route is your opinion on learning. Not one I share. Hindus learn mostly from introspection, not from the intellectual gridwork of words and debate. Again ... different paradigm. I honestly never expect people from outside of Hinduism to understand Hinduism very well at all. That's why I generally just suggest they go to a Hindu temple instead of reading the books and philosophies. The average Hindu spends about 10 times as much time worshiping as he does thinking about philosophy. But the people from other paradigms rarely catch the drift with that either. Not do I expect it. I certainly don't expect myself or any of my Hindu brothers and sisters to have a very deep grasp on the Abrahamic faiths, in any real sense.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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That's why I generally just suggest they go to a Hindu temple instead of reading the books and philosophies. The average Hindu spends about 10 times as much time worshiping as he does thinking about philosophy.

Boy, I hear that! It was fixating on philosophy and books that drove me to distraction and pushed me away. It pushed me to a faith that has almost no theology or philosophy (like the Norse had time to philosophize while trying to survive?), only a code of living and faith in the gods. Gee, that sounds like bhakti!!! and is what brought me back.

Like Dorothy said "If I ever go looking for my heart's desire again, I won't look any further than my own back yard. Because if it isn't there, I never really lost it to begin with" (I really have to get out more).

Point being: it's a heck of a lot easier and happier to just pray, chant, worship and love God/dess, and do seva. Nar seva Narayan seva, "service to man (is) service to God".
 

Vinayaka

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Jai, you came in from that, so it was a natural thing to read a lot. It's precisely what many do. It's just what the subconscious mind tells them ... to study religion. But of course we both know its really about practicing religion, not studying it.
 

Satyamavejayanti

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"wizanda, post: 4778778, member: 1032"

Vishnu chooses to come back.

That may be so, but Visnu is never Chosen to come back, this was your original proposition.

Oneness is the name of Heaven, Dharma is the Way...

I dont believe in any such thing as Heaven. Dharmah is not the Way to Heaven, Dharmah is Sanatana - which means never ending. Therefor what happens to Dharmah if Heaven is reached by that way?

So saying I'm wrong, as you've inserted your own misunderstanding of Oneness to only be limited to one aspect of Hinduism, when not everyone sees it like that, is silly.

I said incorrect not "Wrong". As I am A Practicing Hindu my understanding of Hindu Oneness is contextually more accurate in this conversation.

It is Oneness in the beginning of creation, that unified the Heavens, the Dharma was the core of the beliefs that came from this.

Your are conflating Belief systems and Dharmah. Dharmah has nothing to do with belief systems, Dharmah essentially is the Ethical/Moral/Duty/responsibilities of our actions (Karma) nothing to do with belief, Dharmic Karma is done by having direct experience and direct perception of reality, which is backed up by Parmanas such as inference, Logic/reasoning and Apta Vakya. Not by beliefs in religion or Books of any religions.

If someone's religion says it is right to eat babies, and murder the innocent, that leads to bad karma; so therefore the religion can dictate someones Karma.
Kalki might have reasons that some religions might be adharmic...There might be logical reasons to do so, and prophesied throughout time it would happen.

Kalki has not been said to look at the religions of people, but their Adharmah weather religious or not.

If people are walking (following) in a path of righteousness (dharma), then they will create good karma by their deeds....If they don't follow righteousness, they're likely to do bad deeds (adharma).

There is no such thing as Good or Bad Karma, Karma is action only.

That is only one school of thought of Hinduism, some people believe in duality....Though Brahman is the source of all atman.

As I have said, even Dvaita agree that Atman is Sat-Chit-Annad - weather Brahman is the source or not.

It is easier to understand like this, Brahman is the CPU manifesting the Matrix we see around us; our atman exists within the Matrix, thus without Brahman our atman wouldn't exist, yet not the other way around, Brahman doesn't need us to exist.

That may be only one aspect of Hinduism that may agree to this, the Dvaita may not agree, The Sankhya may not Agree, The Bhakta of Hanuman may not agree to this interpretation.

Brahman is waiting for us all to evolve spiritually, as the whole meaning of life is for that reason....Else why bother sending messengers throughout history.

What happen to Brahman being the Matrix ect ect? No need to wait for oneself? And Brahman has never sent messengers.

Not confused anything, we don't know where depression comes from, some can be within the mind, and some the soul.

In Hindu Dharmah, Many would Agree that the Mind is the menifester of Dipression and other problems, Not the Atman.

As saying previously, we're only a program running in the Matrix, we're not the CPU; we're not in constant bliss in a pure state of consciousness, and only if we're dead can we attain being even close to Brahman, as matter is slowed down consciousness that isn't pure.

This is not the Hindu View, Jivan Mukti means Mukti while alive, No Hindu Dharmah will say that only After death does one gets close to Brahman.

Our atman is only in a state of sat chit ananda, when it is focused on Brahman, through following the right ways (dharma) to be part of Oneness.

No, the essential Nature of Atman is Sat-Chit-Annand.

  • See we can't have truth, or existence (sat) without Brahman, and some people in life move away from the source, thus suffer more.
  • We don't have consciousness or understanding, unless Brahman allows us to.
  • Ananda is the divine bliss at the beginning of creation, and i've only met children who maintain that joy, adults generally forget the source of that energy.

No, this is not Hindu Dharmah.

Thus in all of them atman is just a vessel, unless it is filled by the divine spirit of Brahman.

No, this is not Hindu Dharmah

Where did i say it was a religion; was referring to that to get everyone to follow righteousness (dharma), you need to be able to speak from people's own understanding.

Your claim of Kalki reading religions falls apart then.

Read below a few lines, and you will see how you confuse Dharmah and religion.

Oneness is the ultimate goal of all the messengers, they all taught dharma which is the right path to following Oneness....

No, in Hindu Dharmah there are no such thing as messengers.

When people say my book or religion is separate, they're not following Oneness, thus didn't understand the Dharma was one from the offset.

There you go again and confuse Dharmah with Religions, Do i have to be any clearer.

Maybe in times of the inquisition; yet someone putting ideas across and evidence, is just fact; we can take it or leave it....

Even now, those who bleed out parallels and assume Oneness of religions or Dharmah are causing Hinsa.

Yet clearly when you're ego is so big, you keep telling others they're wrong all the time, and that you're right, that is different; as it comes from arrogance, and not Oneness/dharma.

Dont be so hard on yourself. lol.

So a voice in your head says don't do that, as it will lead to much suffering, and you ignore it as your ego wants you to serve yourself first...Think that leads to adharmic action.
or Kalki comes to fix the world, and you spend all your time arguing with him from your ego, trying to show why he is wrong, as your text doesn't say that in your understanding; yet missing out that many might learn from what he could teach globally.

So listening to Someone who claims to have voices in their head, who proclaim it as divine revelations is Dharmic? Not at all in Hinduism, this is not Dharmah.

'Shambhala is a Sanskrit term meaning place of peace/tranquility/happiness'... And from there he shall teach the dharma; thus it is a symbolic place.

So your assertion that peace would spread from one actual place is not correct, If this Shambhala is not a place.

People get their ideas of dharma from their religious beliefs, if these are faulty, then it is possible they can follow adharma by bad beliefs....

Dharmah has nothing to do with religion, People of No religion can be Dharmic or Adharmaic it is their actions, if your saying religions have influence on Karma of people then i agree, but to suggest we get Dharmah from religion is not correct.

Thus for Kalki to correct everyone's dharma, he must know their beliefs to correct and guide.

No, he will go to places affected by the symptoms of Kali yuga, he will not preach to people to change their beliefs, and will establish Dharmah where there is no Dharmah.

This is the bit your not getting, ungodly beings can't be in the presence of Brahman...

Your contradicting, what happen to being the programs in the Brahman Matrix? Plus in Hinduism this idea of being in the presence of Brahman does not exist.

The point your not getting is that Brahman is not equal to the Abrahamic concept of GOD.

So within multiple prophecies it is portrayed as people burning, which is merely the light of God being so strong it washes all the darkness away, so for many it is a destruction.
As for many of the other things prophesied as destruction, take into account the Bible says God is 'removing those who damage the Earth'.

Nothing to do with MahaPralay or even Pralay.

Without spending years reading, was why i thought to ask Hindus about their eschatology; though so far found it easier to look it up on Google instead. :innocent:

So you really are not interested in a deep inquiry but more just looking for similarities that bolsters up your own preconceived notions of Hinduism and your own beliefs.

Dhanyavad
 

Kapalika

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Having a really intimate knowledge of Christianity as well as Hinduism I kind of feel like the two are really unalike. Most similarities are superficial at best I would reckon. Those that aren't are shared by most religions, so that makes any such comparison kind of meaningless as that has more to do with what religion is than any two religions being connected or related.

I don't really see the use in us debating with the OP, they seem to have made up their mind and are looking only for the answers that they think will confirm their beliefs they came in with.
 

psychoslice

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I think this so called person would be truth, personalized into a so called person, which is wrong, truth is truth, it needs no personification.
 

wizanda

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I don't really see the use in us debating with the OP
Well considering you've already, and explained was debating global eschatology, not Christianity, and then you repeat the point, to make a point to others. :oops:
That may be so, but Visnu is never Chosen to come back, this was your original proposition.
Well as far as i know, i chose to come back, and was sent by God....

So either way what i asked about me in the OP, can fit with Hindu text; just not your beliefs. :innocent:
Therefor what happens to Dharmah if Heaven is reached by that way?
Dharma is the essence of all righteous logic in reality; you could sort of say it is like the Dao....

Thus on being in Heaven, you have to follow Dharma; Dharma stems from there, and without it, we just have chaos.
There you go again and confuse Dharmah with Religions, Do i have to be any clearer.
Dharma was one from the offset of creation, the religions came ages after, thus they miss the point by being divided.
No, this is not Hindu Dharmah.
Was explaining what sat-chit-ananda is from experience of being in Heaven, and how some of the ways you're using it don't make sense.
As I am A Practicing Hindu my understanding of Hindu Oneness is contextually more accurate in this conversation.
Normally in a debate, we try and establish each persons understanding of a words context, so that we can understand each other....

If you keep only applying your own contexts to words, then you're missing my point and arguing without understanding, which is where i keep trying to help you understand. :rolleyes:
Your are conflating Belief systems and Dharmah.
Talk about completely miss the point; imagine being at the beginning of reality, first through Oneness heaven was made, then from that core Dharma was established, from there all beliefs about Dharma have been made....

Buddhist use the term Dharma to mean their belief system... 'You really should read up on all the different aspects of all the words used.' :p
There is no such thing as Good or Bad Karma
You do realize that is a very unique view, as most people use the term bad karma.
What happen to Brahman being the Matrix ect ect?
Brahman is the CPU; we're in the Matrix/Maya.
No need to wait for oneself?
The idea that some people think they're God, in a place near Hell is amusing.
And Brahman has never sent messengers.
Avatars are messengers sent by Brahman within the Matrix.
So listening to Someone who claims to have voices in their head, who proclaim it as divine revelations is Dharmic?
If we listen, we can all hear Brahman....Some need to meditate more than others, to quieten their ego.
Your contradicting, what happen to being the programs in the Brahman Matrix?
We're in matter; Brahman is in pure consciousness...

We by being pure Dharmic consciousness, can be one in consciousness; yet we can not physically come close to Brahman until we leave matter.
Plus in Hinduism this idea of being in the presence of Brahman does not exist.
Some people believe they end the cycle of rebirth, and will become pure consciousness again with Brahman.
The point your not getting is that Brahman is not equal to the Abrahamic concept of GOD.
I've got that point, yet since I'm speaking from being sent, an NDE, being asked to do what is in the OP, and first hand experience; the reason the Abrahamic beliefs even got brought up, is because of lack of understanding that all is One to begin with.

Anyways thank you for the dialogue. :innocent:
 
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