so Dharmah still remains in Heaven, is this correct?,
Dharma comes from Heaven, thus it is essential for being in Heaven....
It would be Hell or here, if it didn't have dharma being followed there.
What is the role of Dharmah in Heaven?
It is the underlying essence of all things there....
Find your questions strange, like you're almost saying you're following dharma as you're seeking reward; which you realize is adharmic?
What Karm would constitute Dharmah in Heaven?
If you didn't follow dharma in Heaven, you'd reincarnate here; if you failed following dharma here, you'd go even lower to Hell.
If there is Dharmah in Heaven is also there Adharmah?
No of course not, adharma is the opposite of Heaven; here is a place between Heaven and Hell, thus we have both.
guess you are denying Hindus the Sanatana aspect of Dharmah
I've not denied it; it is your understanding of what I'm saying....
Brahman changed the reality from chaos into order, within that order, it was the dharma that organized it into logic and righteous Oneness; then due to the nature of the materials used, adharma slowly creeps back in, until it takes over, then everything is reformed again, these are the yugas from my knowledge.
Thus dharma is infinite, there isn't a time that righteousness and logic don't exist, as it stems from the very core of Brahman.
So tho reality, and the Maya may disappear, dharma will remain, even if only Heaven is kept for a bit, whilst things are reformed.
Why are you uncomfortable with Hindu ideas about Dharmah and Brahman?
Not uncomfortable with any ideaologies, and fasinated to see how it relates to our knowledge; yet will always stick with the facts we're aware of, as they're taken from far more sources, and is thus less susceptible to errors.
so you are nicely saying that we as Hindus are wrong and almost to Hell.
Not all Hindus believe we are God; not everyone thinks we're in a state of constant bliss.
As obviously you do not agree with Atman being Sat-Chit-Annand.
Having seen Heaven and Hell, the soul isn't in constant bliss here, and below here is torment....
In Heaven whilst one with Brahman we're in constant bliss, and have the qualities of sat chit ananda.....
Even as someone who knows how to connect with Brahman, has that as part of my name (Zanda), i can't maintain truth or bliss in this realm of delusion (Maya).
would agree to a infinite separation of Atman and Brahman.
Didn't say they're infinitely separated; the soul can always connect with Brahman, when in the right state through Yoga (to bond), and by being dharma.
But i guess your not talking about Hindu concepts here, but largely Christian.
Multiple different religions have this same concept; the idea you think it only comes from Christianity explains the confusion.
Is this why the concept of Brahman is more appropriate for your experience, because it would be considered nonsense in traditional Christian view?
There is only understanding, there isn't which is best or more appropriate....
Christians can partially accept what I'm saying, if i fit my wording within their belief structure; not as experienced with the Hindu terminology, thus been picked up on it each time.
Yet they both fit in their own ways, and both are limited in their knowledge; which would mean both would argue over me being wrong the same.
the History that accompanies "GOD", is clearly Judeo-Christian/Abrahamic
Actually the history of the word God comes from the German deity, and then was adopted into the English.
I don't use the term God when describing Vishnu, because it does not fit into many preconceived notions of what a God is
Agreed it would be rude to not use a deities name, when that is more applicable; yet according to the dictionary the term God is universal, you've concluded it means the Abrahmic deities YHVH, when that isn't even its name.
Heaven is beyond the material dimensions within a place of pure consciousness, better known as Oneness.
Now who brought Abrahamic ideas into this thread, me or you?
Neither of us, i used terminology in my original post based on what i was told, some of that has been concluded to be Christian only, when it is in many other religious texts, including Hindu.
your NDE is conditioned by the westernized version of Heaven
Fair enough in someways what we perceive is what we will experience in Heaven, as our perceptions create the reality we see around us in a place of pure consciousness....
Yet my understanding wasn't westernized, had already studied mainly eastern ideologies, had no comprehension of much of the Biblical ideology experienced, until years after on studying it.
are you saying that if a Muslim has NDE, he will see Brahman in Heaven as well
Muslims will see what they perceive as Allah, as they're all the same being; we just make up different mythologies around the world, to comprehend something beyond our comprehension.
are you saying that GOD, Heaven, Hell (which are your exact words in this thread) have no relationship to Abrahamic concepts?
They are referenced in them texts, as they are in Hindu texts, etc, they're all as misguided to me in someway, as we're in the Maya; they've got parts of the facts, parts of mythology, each has parts of the puzzle, and when we place them all together, we start to see where they're wrong.... From there, then we can establish what is right globally as One.
Just using the most universal terms, doesn't imply it means a set religion, it is a massive presumption to assume so.
nor do you speak from Hinduism.
Learning what is required as we speak.
you do not speak for Hinduism
Actually Hindu texts, like the majority of religious texts, speak for themselves; the people following it are often so confused, it is some times the complete opposite that they come out with.
you think other Christians are not real Christians
Ergh!!
Christians are what they say they are, they follow Paul, Simon peter and John....
The name christian was applied after to their church, not the original followers of Yeshua; which were called 'Followers of the Way' or in my opinion Ebionites.
You have a Christian way of looking at religions by reading texts
You really should study more religions, and you'd find that it isn't only Christianity that has the same ideas.
you have agreed that Hindus are closer to your version of Hell
I was saying that people who are full of self, and ego claiming they're God, when we're in a place near Hell, are clearly misguided; not all Hindus are lost, the same as any other religion.
And I am saying that this is not what Dharmah is and heaven is not where Brahman is, Simple.
Ok, so where does dharma stem from according to you?
Where does Brahman exist according to you?
Just because you think Christianity is Evil, does not make it so
True, my opinion on its own counts for nothing; yet when i was sent with this information from Heaven, and can then substantiate it within their religious texts, and is prophesied by many, i will stick with the majority, and what Brahman put me here for.
just because you see Christianity as Evil does not mean All religions are Evil
What the prophets established, and what Christianity then shows, is that we're in a world of Maya, where people don't have a clue what is going on, and will follow things blindly without question....
Now unfortunately, this isn't religion based; yet a part of human nature, so it applies across the board.
ideas of Heaven, Hell, GOD are not preconditioned by Christian thought in the first place.
Go look at the Near Death Experience websites, listen to testimonies of former atheists, that have had similar experiences; things just exist a certain way, then people try to quantify them with what ever source material they can find, i chose all religions, not only one.
Kalki takes Birth at the end of Kali Yuga
Well i was born, have been informed we're coming to an end of this age, was asked to share dharma/Oneness, shown the world is in a state of adharma...The only thing that doesn't fit is being pedantic over specific wording.
Which part of this is hard for you to fathom.
Well as asking above, where do you think the deities reside, when not here in the realm of Maya?
You are not true to your self, if you speak to a God, or if God tells you something, this is not seeking within.
Errrm, that wasn't in the context of the statement... It was that both religious texts tell people to seek within to find God.
Then to declare if a deity speaks with you, and tells you things, you won't seek within to understand it, is just silly.
I've spent the last 12 years speaking with Christians, and understanding their beliefs, thus of course i will answer when someone makes faulty statements; you shouldn't assume so much about people with out asking them, as on many occasions (sorry to say) you're wrong.
