JamesThePersian said:
Neither you nor whoever wrote your Quran actually understands the Trinity it seems.
Because none of you guys can explain it clearly. Explain it to me please within the context of all the verses contained in the bible. since the Trinity is a univeral truth you guys profess that and if my understanding is wrong Jesus is God incarnate, He is physically God, and Physically a man, and the spririt all at the same time. They are all equal at all times. Is this true or not true.
so clear some things up for me then James.
If Jesus is God or equal why does he say the father is greater then I. so is he less God then the father or himself. He is not equal to himself from his own statements.
Does God pray to himself? who was Jesus praying to if He is God? while He was up on the cross dying as God who was sustaining the Universe and making sure everything was in order.
Now when God died? why did say he was going up to Himself. Because he said I am going to Myself.
why did he say I will pray the father and not I will pray to myself.
why did God not teach the trinity to the disciples. where in all the times he(God as you say) was on earth why did he not in any of his speaches did he not once teach his disciples this concept.
why is a pagan ideology apart of a Abrahamic faith. where this thing is not accepted.
If Jesus is God and God authored the bible. In Numbers 23:19 why did God insprire this man to write that. For it will confuse someone. does God insprire mistakes in his perfect word.
If Jesus is God or part of the trinity. in my red letter bible there are only 7 books out of the whole book where God is speaking. why are the books of Genesis, Exodus etc. etc. void of red lettering if it is God speaking.
If God is all powerful and Eternal He can never die. He would have to first turn mortal. And if he was god does God need to eat, and drink and go to the restroom. Does God do these things.
do you believe that human beings can harm God. the God of the old testament destroyed nations for disobedience and nobody had the power to go against Him which is true of His nature. the god of the New testament is taken prisoner by the romans, tried and killed. How is this possible that God can be captured and killed. Man has more power then god.
If Jesus said he only came to fulfill the law. How is it he came with something different then what Moses brought. Moses taught what is the book of Isaiah 43:10,Deut 4:39, Isaidh 45:18,44:6.45:6, 45:22,Exodus 20:3, 34:14. etc. etc.
Even Jesus said the father in heaven is one is. He did not say I am one. He said the Lord of Israel is one.
I have many other question similar if you could shed light on how I am to make sense of this ideology from what you guys are giving me. Which is the bible.
Yeah it is quite a shame I can't ever find anybody to explain the trinity from all the verses in the bible since it is univeral in understanding it should be universal in scripture also.
Somehow that makes me wonder just how much the Quran owes to the various heretical Christian groups of that era and area (and when you add this to the various strands of Docetism and other beliefs shared with some Christian heretics, it seems like rather a lot).
for what reason does the Quran own Christians anything. Should it thank the Christians for changing the Injeel so Allah had to send it.
I have to also wonder as to the identity of the author, for if it were God, how could he make a mistake?
What mistake?
If he were describing an error made about Him by humans, wouldn't He at least get the description right?
James
The description is clear. You guys changed the book making errors in the word of God which is perfect this is what the Quran says and this is a FACT proven by scholars and historians.