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Whore of Babylon

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
caritas,
Many believe that the Catholic Church is the Great Harlot sitting on the back of the seven headed, ten horned, Scarlet Colored Wild Beast, because she demonstrates many of the descriptions. Didn't she persecute true Christians during the dark ages, burning many at the stake, especially those who tried to translate the Bible into languages that could be understood by the common people, and not kept in Latin, which few understand. What about the Crusades?? The Inquisitions?? The Catholic Church was the cause and the force behind them, causing the greatest suffering, and torture in history.
BUT, the Catholic Church is NOT the Great Harlot, but just a part of it. This Great Harlot, Babylon the Great is actually the Whole World Empire of False Religion, with Catholicism being a big part.
The reason for this understanding is the Beast she is riding. This Scarlet Colored Wild Beast is the same as the Image of the Wild The Beast mentioned at Rev 13:14-18. This Image is identified at Rev 17:7,8, as the United Nations, which started out as the League of Nations in 1920, then was not during WW2, then present again in 1945, as the United Nations,
The reason this beast has seven heads is : This is the number of World Powers throughout history, who had dealings with God's chosen people. They arte Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medes and Persions, Greece, Rome, and the Anglo-American World Power, NOW RULING, The USA and Briton. Consider Rev 17:9-11. John is writing, he lived during the Roman World Power, sixth one, Anglo-American, the seventh, and the Eighth will be The United Nations, very shortly. The reason??? Because the USA is realizing that we cannot be the policemen of the world, this country will soon call on the United Nations to help bring peace on earth
This will be a very trying time, because the TEN KINGS, mentioned at Rev 17:12,13,17, will attack Babylon the Great and destroy her, because God put it into their minds to destroy False Religion, Rev 17:16-18.
When you see the United Nations gaining power, the end of this system will be very close. Every one not in the ONE RELIGION that God is blessing, will not survive!!! This is the most critical time in all of mankind's history!!!

Dear j,
Very good, except your United Nations is an empty shell, and does not match the description of the beast of Rev 13 which matches the beast of Daniel 7, which is Babylonian, Persian, Macedonian, and Roman empires, with another beast then coming out of the earth with two horns like a lamb, who was to deceive "those who dwell on the earth", which is Constantine, who established the Roman church. The last power crushed has to match the feet of iron and clay of Daniel 2. The last head of the beast," which was and is not, is himself an eighth, and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction".(Rev 17:11) The ten horns of Rev 17:12 are kings who receive power for "one hour."

Revelation was written during the period of the 6th beast, with Constantine being the 7th beast who according to Dan 7:24-25, will subdue 3 kings (Daia, Caius Flavius, and Licinius), and change the Times and the Law. In 321 A.D., Constantine change the Sabbath day of rest into the day of rest being on the "Day of the Sun", the day of his god Sol Invictus. His Council of Nicaea changed the One God only into the prelim of the Trinity doctrine. His decree on 331 A.D. sentenced anyone to death who held deviate literature to this new multi-headed god.

The eighth head of the beast will be in the image of the 5th head of the beast, Julius Caesar, whose "fatal wound" was healed. (Rev 13:3) Julius Caesar was declared a god, and usurped the power of the Roman Republic, and created a dictatorship. The same happened during the 3rd Reich, whereas Hitler usurped the power of the German Republic for a dictatorship. The same is happening today in the form of a Muslim messiah figure, by the name of Hussein Soetoro, and his rule by decree. The nations coming against Jerusalem will have to conform to Dan 2 and Psalms 83, a mixture of iron and clay.


Constantine's law of…321 [C.E] uniting Christians and pagans in the observance of the "venerable day of the sun" It is to be noted that this official solar worship, the final form of paganism in the empire…, was not the traditional Roman-Greek religion of Jupiter, Apollo, Venus, and the other Olympian deities. It was a product of the mingling Hellenistic-Oriental elements, exemplified in Aurelian's establishment of Eastern Sun worship at Rome as the official religion of the empire, and in his new temple enshrining Syrian statutes statues of Bel and the sun…. Thus at last Bel, the god of Babylon, came into the official imperial temple of Rome, the center of the imperial religion. It was this late Roman-Oriental worship of one supreme god, symbolized by the sun and absorbing lesser divinities as subordinates or manifestations of the universal deity, that competed with young Christianity. This was the Roman religion that went down in defeat but infiltrated and colored the victorious church with its own elements, some of which can be seen to this day. (Cramer 4)

On March 7, 321, Sunday was declared the official day of rest, on which markets were banned and public offices were closed,[ Constantine the Great and Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In addition, if any writing composed by Arius should be found, it should be handed over to the flames, so that not only will the wickedness of his teaching be obliterated, but nothing will be left even to remind anyone of him. And I hereby make a public order, that if someone should be discovered to have hidden a writing composed by Arius, and not to have immediately brought it forward and destroyed it by fire, his penalty shall be death. As soon as he is discovered in this offence, he shall be submitted for capital punishment....." Arianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

kaoticprofit

Active Member
Many believe that the Catholic Church is the Great Harlot sitting on the back of the seven headed, ten horned, Scarlet Colored Wild Beast, because she demonstrates many of the descriptions. Didn't she persecute true Christians during the dark ages, burning many at the stake, especially those who tried to translate the Bible into languages that could be understood by the common people, and not kept in Latin, which few understand. What about the Crusades?? The Inquisitions?? The Catholic Church was the cause and the force behind them, causing the greatest suffering, and torture in history.

Muslims have murdered more Christians in the last 15 years than in all of history. What Rome did centuries ago is no longer taking place today. And it wasn't the religious factions of Rome that did most of the persecuting it was the political factions. Burning at the stake was a form of Roman persecution. The form of persecution mentioned in the book of Revelation is beheading and that's an Islamic practice they do today!

The crusades started when Muslims started destroying the holy sites in and around Israel. Thank God for the Crusades!

The Crusades were necessary to stop the spread of militant Islam which started in the Holy land. Even before the Crusades between 732-733 AD had not Charles Martel stopped the Islamic invasion of Europe, many say that all of Europe would have fallen to Islam and Christianity would have likely been wiped out.

The crusades happened about 700 to 900 years ago. You're living in the past. Have you ever heard of Islamic terrorism? Ever heard of Jihad?

Ever heard of the Sudan? Between 1998 and 2000 over 5,000 villages and 15,000 churches were burned!

Less than 100 years ago......

From the blog of Baron Bodissey....

....And the city of Izmir hasn’t always been called that. Before it became a Turkish city, it had been Smyrna, a major Greek port and trading center for more than two millennia. Even after becoming part of the Ottoman Empire it remained a primarily Christian city, home to many thousands of Greeks and Armenians.

Until 1922, that is. The week of September 11-17, to be precise. During that period the city was occupied by the forces of Mustafa Kemal, a.k.a. Kemal Attaturk. The Christian areas of the city were looted and torched, and the Armenians and the Greeks were driven from their homes to flee the city or be slaughtered. Of the 400,000 Christians resident in the city beforehand, virtually none remained, and more than 190,000 were never accounted for. The Archbishop Chrysostomos was among the victims, murdered at the hands of a mob while under the “protection” of French marines. The city, except for the Turkish quarter, was reduced to a smoking ruin.1

According to "The Religion of Peace" in 2013 there were...

2801 jihad attacks in 51 countries against 5 religions with 16,710 dead bodies and 29,432 people critically injured. And that's just what's reported on. Many atrocities that occur in the tribal areas of Muslim dominated countries goes unreported. This is the Whore of Babylon that fills the harlots cup with the abominations of the earth.

Now you tell me how many Muslim's were murdered at the hands of Catholics in 2013!

BUT, the Catholic Church is NOT the Great Harlot, but just a part of it. This Great Harlot, Babylon the Great is actually the Whole World Empire of False Religion, with Catholicism being a big part.

I know that's what the experts teach but it's not true. Babylon the Great or the harlot ARE NOT a collection of the worlds' religions. It's ONE religion. The world religions will never unite and neither will the worlds governments.

The reason for this understanding is the Beast she is riding. This Scarlet Colored Wild Beast is the same as the Image of the Wild The Beast mentioned at Rev 13:14-18. This Image is identified at Rev 17:7,8, as the United Nations, which started out as the League of Nations in 1920, then was not during WW2, then present again in 1945, as the United Nations,

The UN is an old theory and is completely unscriptural. It's speculated that the beast is the UN but for anybody who is a serious student of prophecy, that theory is easily debunked as it is contradictory to a slew of other prophetic verses.

The word 'sitteth' means to occupy. That indicates that Islam will be the dominant religion of this coming 10 nation Islamic Empire.

The reason this beast has seven heads is : This is the number of World Powers throughout history, who had dealings with God's chosen people. They arte Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medes and Persions, Greece, Rome, and the Anglo-American World Power, NOW RULING, The USA and Briton. Consider Rev 17:9-11. John is writing, he lived during the Roman World Power, sixth one, Anglo-American, the seventh, and the Eighth will be The United Nations, very shortly. The reason??? Because the USA is realizing that we cannot be the policemen of the world, this country will soon call on the United Nations to help bring peace on earth
I know that's what you've been taught but not one word of what you said here is true.

The beast(s) depicted in Revelation 13 and 17 and Daniel 7 are all complete end-time entities. The heads ARE NOT a progression of world empires. I don't know who came up with that theory you've accepted but it's bogus. The 7 heads as well as the 10 horns are all on earth at the same time.

This will be a very trying time, because the TEN KINGS, mentioned at Rev 17:12,13,17, will attack Babylon the Great and destroy her, because God put it into their minds to destroy False Religion, Rev 17:16-18.

They will not attack Babylon the Great. The ten kings (likely Sunni) will destroy and burn the harlot. The harlot is symbolic of the Shia sect of Iran.

When you see the United Nations gaining power, the end of this system will be very close. Every one not in the ONE RELIGION that God is blessing, will not survive!!! This is the most critical time in all of mankind's history!!!

The UN is powerless to commit the things ascribed to it in God's Word.
 
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Prophet

breaking the statutes of my local municipality
Revelation was written before the invention of the Roman Catholic Church. It is a first century political document that denounces the Roman Empire in words that a first century Jew would've been able to understand but would've remained intelligible as such to Roman eyes. Jews were familiar with the religion of the Romans from their time held in captivity in Babylon, thus her name. Another telling clue references a nickname of Rome's "the city on seven hills". Another clue refers to the imperial colors of the Roman Empire: purple and scarlet.

And is it so hard to understand why early Christians who were being martyred wholesale for fun and sport might have a problem with Nero Caesar?

I hope I'm not way too late to the party.
 

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
Muslims have murdered more Christians in the last 15 years than in all of history. What Rome did centuries ago is no longer taking place today. And it wasn't the religious factions of Rome that did most of the persecuting it was the political factions. Burning at the stake was a form of Roman persecution. The form of persecution mentioned in the book of Revelation is beheading and that's an Islamic practice they do today!

The crusades started when Muslims started destroying the holy sites in and around Israel. Thank God for the Crusades!

The Crusades were necessary to stop the spread of militant Islam which started in the Holy land. Even before the Crusades between 732-733 AD had not Charles Martel stopped the Islamic invasion of Europe, many say that all of Europe would have fallen to Islam and Christianity would have likely been wiped out.

The crusades happened about 700 to 900 years ago. You're living in the past. Have you ever heard of Islamic terrorism? Ever heard of Jihad?

Ever heard of the Sudan? Between 1998 and 2000 over 5,000 villages and 15,000 churches were burned!

Less than 100 years ago......

From the blog of Baron Bodissey....

....And the city of Izmir hasn’t always been called that. Before it became a Turkish city, it had been Smyrna, a major Greek port and trading center for more than two millennia. Even after becoming part of the Ottoman Empire it remained a primarily Christian city, home to many thousands of Greeks and Armenians.

Until 1922, that is. The week of September 11-17, to be precise. During that period the city was occupied by the forces of Mustafa Kemal, a.k.a. Kemal Attaturk. The Christian areas of the city were looted and torched, and the Armenians and the Greeks were driven from their homes to flee the city or be slaughtered. Of the 400,000 Christians resident in the city beforehand, virtually none remained, and more than 190,000 were never accounted for. The Archbishop Chrysostomos was among the victims, murdered at the hands of a mob while under the “protection” of French marines. The city, except for the Turkish quarter, was reduced to a smoking ruin.1

According to "The Religion of Peace" in 2013 there were...

2801 jihad attacks in 51 countries against 5 religions with 16,710 dead bodies and 29,432 people critically injured. And that's just what's reported on. Many atrocities that occur in the tribal areas of Muslim dominated countries goes unreported. This is the Whore of Babylon that fills the harlots cup with the abominations of the earth.

Now you tell me how many Muslim's were murdered at the hands of Catholics in 2013!



I know that's what the experts teach but it's not true. Babylon the Great or the harlot ARE NOT a collection of the worlds' religions. It's ONE religion. The world religions will never unite and neither will the worlds governments.



The UN is an old theory and is completely unscriptural. It's speculated that the beast is the UN but for anybody who is a serious student of prophecy, that theory is easily debunked as it is contradictory to a slew of other prophetic verses.

The word 'sitteth' means to occupy. That indicates that Islam will be the dominant religion of this coming 10 nation Islamic Empire.


I know that's what you've been taught but not one word of what you said here is true.

The beast(s) depicted in Revelation 13 and 17 and Daniel 7 are all complete end-time entities. The heads ARE NOT a progression of world empires. I don't know who came up with that theory you've accepted but it's bogus. The 7 heads as well as the 10 horns are all on earth at the same time.



They will not attack Babylon the Great. The ten kings (likely Sunni) will destroy and burn the harlot. The harlot is symbolic of the Shia sect of Iran.



The UN is powerless to commit the things ascribed to it in God's Word.

In fairness though, the Catholic Church doesn't have the most peaceful religion itself either. Spanish Inquisition anyone?
inquisition-wheel.jpg

Jesus Loves You... LOL, JK!
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
In fairness though, the Catholic Church doesn't have the most peaceful religion itself either. Spanish Inquisition anyone?
inquisition-wheel.jpg

Jesus Loves You... LOL, JK!



Christianity was basically wiped out after Jesus, apostles, christians were murdered--- the great apostasy rose up and started murdering in the name of Jesus---Jesus was not with them then or now.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Christianity was basically wiped out after Jesus, apostles, christians were murdered--- the great apostasy rose up and started murdering in the name of Jesus---Jesus was not with them then or now.
Yet 1/3 of the world continues to be Christian to this day...
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Muslims have murdered more Christians in the last 15 years than in all of history. What Rome did centuries ago is no longer taking place today. And it wasn't the religious factions of Rome that did most of the persecuting it was the political factions. Burning at the stake was a form of Roman persecution. The form of persecution mentioned in the book of Revelation is beheading and that's an Islamic practice they do today!

The crusades started when Muslims started destroying the holy sites in and around Israel. Thank God for the Crusades!

The Crusades were necessary to stop the spread of militant Islam which started in the Holy land. Even before the Crusades between 732-733 AD had not Charles Martel stopped the Islamic invasion of Europe, many say that all of Europe would have fallen to Islam and Christianity would have likely been wiped out.

The crusades happened about 700 to 900 years ago. You're living in the past. Have you ever heard of Islamic terrorism? Ever heard of Jihad?

Ever heard of the Sudan? Between 1998 and 2000 over 5,000 villages and 15,000 churches were burned!

Less than 100 years ago......

From the blog of Baron Bodissey....

....And the city of Izmir hasn’t always been called that. Before it became a Turkish city, it had been Smyrna, a major Greek port and trading center for more than two millennia. Even after becoming part of the Ottoman Empire it remained a primarily Christian city, home to many thousands of Greeks and Armenians.

Until 1922, that is. The week of September 11-17, to be precise. During that period the city was occupied by the forces of Mustafa Kemal, a.k.a. Kemal Attaturk. The Christian areas of the city were looted and torched, and the Armenians and the Greeks were driven from their homes to flee the city or be slaughtered. Of the 400,000 Christians resident in the city beforehand, virtually none remained, and more than 190,000 were never accounted for. The Archbishop Chrysostomos was among the victims, murdered at the hands of a mob while under the “protection” of French marines. The city, except for the Turkish quarter, was reduced to a smoking ruin.1

According to "The Religion of Peace" in 2013 there were...

2801 jihad attacks in 51 countries against 5 religions with 16,710 dead bodies and 29,432 people critically injured. And that's just what's reported on. Many atrocities that occur in the tribal areas of Muslim dominated countries goes unreported. This is the Whore of Babylon that fills the harlots cup with the abominations of the earth.

Now you tell me how many Muslim's were murdered at the hands of Catholics in 2013!



I know that's what the experts teach but it's not true. Babylon the Great or the harlot ARE NOT a collection of the worlds' religions. It's ONE religion. The world religions will never unite and neither will the worlds governments.



The UN is an old theory and is completely unscriptural. It's speculated that the beast is the UN but for anybody who is a serious student of prophecy, that theory is easily debunked as it is contradictory to a slew of other prophetic verses.

The word 'sitteth' means to occupy. That indicates that Islam will be the dominant religion of this coming 10 nation Islamic Empire.


I know that's what you've been taught but not one word of what you said here is true.

The beast(s) depicted in Revelation 13 and 17 and Daniel 7 are all complete end-time entities. The heads ARE NOT a progression of world empires. I don't know who came up with that theory you've accepted but it's bogus. The 7 heads as well as the 10 horns are all on earth at the same time.



They will not attack Babylon the Great. The ten kings (likely Sunni) will destroy and burn the harlot. The harlot is symbolic of the Shia sect of Iran.



The UN is powerless to commit the things ascribed to it in God's Word.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think a lot more Christians died under Communism. I've read statements that say that more Christians were martyred under the Soviet Union than in the preceding 19 centuries of Christianity combined. Anywhere from between 20 to 40 million Christians died, to be precise.

I'm not one to diminish what the Muslims have done to us, and as an Orthodox Christian, I've heard of the suffering and cruelty our Greek, Antiochian, Syriac and Coptic brothers and sisters have gone through at the hands of the Muslims, but let's not overexaggerate our figures here.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not according to Jesus---Few will find the road. Satans illusion of Christianity has about 2 billion.

And exactly how did you come up with this figure, plus are you sure that you are on the "narrow path", and how can you tell, especially because didn't Jesus say "judge ye not"?
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
And exactly how did you come up with this figure, plus are you sure that you are on the "narrow path", and how can you tell, especially because didn't Jesus say "judge ye not"?


There is but one way to see the entrance to the narrow path---learn Jesus' truths and apply them daily. Their works judge them. Gods word has judged.

Ot = one religion, one truth, one faith, one God(YHWH(Jehovah)
Nt= Jesus started one religion, one truth, one faith, one God(YHWH(Jehovah)

This is reality.-Psalm 83:18
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
There is but one way to see the entrance to the narrow path---learn Jesus' truths and apply them daily. Their works judge them. Gods word has judged.

Ot = one religion, one truth, one faith, one God(YHWH(Jehovah)
Nt= Jesus started one religion, one truth, one faith, one God(YHWH(Jehovah)

This is reality.-Psalm 83:18

You are assuming that both of these texts are correct in their entirety and that you have all the correct interpretations. Secondly, you really didn't answer my question.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
And exactly how did you come up with this figure, plus are you sure that you are on the "narrow path", and how can you tell, especially because didn't Jesus say "judge ye not"?

Jesus taught--few will find the road to life(eternal)
after reading through the bible a few times a basic pattern developed--one true religion-99% false religionssssssssssssss--99% mislead throughout mankinds history.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Jesus taught--few will find the road to life(eternal)
after reading through the bible a few times a basic pattern developed--one true religion-99% false religionssssssssssssss--99% mislead throughout mankinds history.

You are conflating belief with fact, so what you say above is totally meaningless and terribly biased with not one thing to indicate your bias is correct.
 

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
Jesus taught--few will find the road to life(eternal)
after reading through the bible a few times a basic pattern developed--one true religion-99% false religionssssssssssssss--99% mislead throughout mankinds history.

And how do you know that you are not the one being mislead into thinking that you have not been mislead?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
And how do you know that you are not the one being mislead into thinking that you have not been mislead?

Exactly. And on top of that, there's literally no logical way to find out which exactly is objectively correct. Some can't simply understand that just because they believe in X, whatever that is, that this doesn't necessarily mean that it's true.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
And how do you know that you are not the one being mislead into thinking that you have not been mislead?

By applying the only key in existence---Jesus' truths--Careful study of these truths [point one to his teachers( I believe is the narrow gate) which gets one on the path through the door( Jesus) to get to the Father( YHWH(Jehovah) -- then and only then one can worship the Father in spirit and truth.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
You are conflating belief with fact, so what you say above is totally meaningless and terribly biased with not one thing to indicate your bias is correct.


Read The bible a few times. And you will see the fact--you will find:

Noahs day-8 humans served God--99% mislead
Israelites fell away constantly to practicing false god worship and vile practices--99% mislead--99% false religionssssssssssssssss
Jesus, apostles, Christians all murdered--99% mislead--99% false religionssssssssssssssssssssss
These last days--99% mislead--99% false religionssssssssssssssssssssssss

Matthew 7:13-14
 
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Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
By applying the only key in existence---Jesus' truths--Careful study of these truths [point one to his teachers( I believe is the narrow gate) which gets one on the path through the door( Jesus) to get to the Father( YHWH(Jehovah) -- then and only then one can worship the Father in spirit and truth.

How do you know what Jesus said is the "truth?" How do you know for sure that it isn't Allah, Krishna, Vinshu, Bahuallah, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Thor, Ra, or the Great Ju-Ju of the Mountain?
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Read The bible a few times. And you will see the fact--you will find:

Noahs day-8 humans served God--99% mislead
Israelites fell away constantly to practicing false god worship and vile practices--99% mislead--99% false religionssssssssssssssss
Jesus, apostles, Christians all murdered--99% mislead--99% false religionssssssssssssssssssssss
These last days--99% mislead--99% false religionssssssssssssssssssssssss

Matthew 7:13-14
And you're so sure that the JW's have it right, because why, exactly? Orthodox Christians have read the Bible millions of times over the last 2000 years, and we haven't changed our story once. The JW's have changed their beliefs on numerous occasions and made failed prophecies again and again.
 
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