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Whore of Babylon
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RND
Seventh-day Adventist
Troublemane
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jacobweymouth
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Well, that put them into a position of power, but that's not why.
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
The seat of the Roman Catholic church being Rome, it sits on seven hills.
That's not the only reason.
This is new to me... What do you mean by free Babylonians
Ah, but they did. During the Middle Ages, all the monarchs of Europe were vassals of the Pope. The Pope took it upon himself to divide the Earth between Western and
Eastern hemispheres for the purpose of allocating land to the Spanish and Potoguese.
Well, then that settles it!
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Personally, I think that it's a mystery. I think it's a fair interpretation, given the parallels.
EDIT: Also, I'm not anti-Catholic. Most Catholics I've known are decent, sincere people. They have done a lot for the world. I'm anti-vatican. The political organism that's sent millions to hell.
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RND
Seventh-day Adventist
I tried...if theres anything worth reading, any clear point made at all in that book, I couldnt find it.
I agree. It's a very difficult book to understand.
If you read the text withopen minds you would realise that the whore of babylon is false religion in general. Including the catholic church, as you may need to read their own encyclopedia, it was created to oppose Jesus's Christians and all "religious"cermonies and dates were created to suck in the pagans
Heneni
Miss Independent
The whore of babylon's is a mystery. A mystery folks. That means...ohh..she is a mystery. If the whore was the catholic church it would be rather less like a mystery
The whore is a mysterious person, entity, being. There but we are not familiar with her. We know she is there, but we have not had direct contact with her, but she certainly has with US!
Babylon is america (the new capital of rome, which is pretty much the whole world)
And The harlot is lillith - among other names she has.
America is the land of dreams/mystery...does that ring a bell?...'mystery' the mother of harlots?
America has the statue of liberty and an angel of liberty on the Capitol building. The statue was designed by Thomas Crawford??. He tried to make it a true rendition of the roman goddess ''libertas''.
The statue is a women dressed as a warrior goddess. Fighting for freedom and liberty. This statue is above the place where i believe american lawmakers gather.
In peter we read:
''While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption, for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage'.
The word 'mother' can be seen as a starting point. And harlot refers to sex for money. Its all about power.
The goddess Ishtar was well known for her doctrine of holy prostitution. The greeks knew her by the name of Ashtoreth or Septaugint. Ishtar is the most ancient meaning for Queen of Heaven, or Lady of Heaven in sumerian dialect. It was the romans who first referred to her in the Latin as 'libertas' and later 'venus'. She is also known as isis - who is also known as lillith.
The harlots is mostly about money and power. In whatever form or shape or institution she can manage to get it. Be that goverments, porn shops, internet, schools, churches or nurseries. The sex does not necessarily have to be real sex, but its a kind of sexual emotional fantasy driven transcendence 'thing'.
There are some religions and churches who have turned to fantasy instead of keeping within the borders of sound doctrine. That is also her way of 'liberating' men from the bible, and making them 'step out' and on to shaky 'fantasies' and delusions of grandeur. So in effect i would agree that parts of the 'church' are in her grip. But if in her grip, she is still the mother of harlots. And america is the capital of babylon. America is the new rome. It was in rome that many christians were slaughtered. Therefore the bible says that she, the mother of harlots' is drunk with the blood of the saints. All roads lead to rome the saying goes, and the bible describes babylon in much the same way. Today America fits this description perfectly.
Revelations 18:3
3For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."
China certainly grew rich from america didnt they? And why? Because of her execessive luxuries.
The whore is a mysterious person, entity, being. There but we are not familiar with her. We know she is there, but we have not had direct contact with her, but she certainly has with US!
Babylon is america (the new capital of rome, which is pretty much the whole world)
And The harlot is lillith - among other names she has.
America is the land of dreams/mystery...does that ring a bell?...'mystery' the mother of harlots?
America has the statue of liberty and an angel of liberty on the Capitol building. The statue was designed by Thomas Crawford??. He tried to make it a true rendition of the roman goddess ''libertas''.
The statue is a women dressed as a warrior goddess. Fighting for freedom and liberty. This statue is above the place where i believe american lawmakers gather.
In peter we read:
''While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption, for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage'.
The word 'mother' can be seen as a starting point. And harlot refers to sex for money. Its all about power.
The goddess Ishtar was well known for her doctrine of holy prostitution. The greeks knew her by the name of Ashtoreth or Septaugint. Ishtar is the most ancient meaning for Queen of Heaven, or Lady of Heaven in sumerian dialect. It was the romans who first referred to her in the Latin as 'libertas' and later 'venus'. She is also known as isis - who is also known as lillith.
The harlots is mostly about money and power. In whatever form or shape or institution she can manage to get it. Be that goverments, porn shops, internet, schools, churches or nurseries. The sex does not necessarily have to be real sex, but its a kind of sexual emotional fantasy driven transcendence 'thing'.
There are some religions and churches who have turned to fantasy instead of keeping within the borders of sound doctrine. That is also her way of 'liberating' men from the bible, and making them 'step out' and on to shaky 'fantasies' and delusions of grandeur. So in effect i would agree that parts of the 'church' are in her grip. But if in her grip, she is still the mother of harlots. And america is the capital of babylon. America is the new rome. It was in rome that many christians were slaughtered. Therefore the bible says that she, the mother of harlots' is drunk with the blood of the saints. All roads lead to rome the saying goes, and the bible describes babylon in much the same way. Today America fits this description perfectly.
Revelations 18:3
3For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."
China certainly grew rich from america didnt they? And why? Because of her execessive luxuries.
yeah but you are talking about two actual countries there China and America. They are part of the "kings of the earth". The thin that babylon the great is, is it is separate from the countries. Merchants, Politicians...... what else rules this world? What do people go and fight for as well as Their Country and for Oil? they fight for thier religion. God and country as it is said in some places.
This is where you can work out that Babylon the Great is the world empire of false religion
This is where you can work out that Babylon the Great is the world empire of false religion
Heneni
Miss Independent
The whore of bablyon has her foot in all goverments and most religions. The only place she hasnt god her foot in, is in the true body of christ. But she has a home base. She has a capital from which she is working. That is america. And america has a king and the other countries have a king that is true. But she needs humans to do what she wants. So she needs kings and goverments and priests and peasants. She is basically everywhere.
She rides on the beast, therefore she controls the beast. Anywhere that the beast is...there she has taken him.
She has a scarlet garment. Which is typical of what kings have.
In religion she has front men - the false prophets - who has a leader - i think it could very well be rick warren, but there are many false prophets.
In goverment she has front men - presidents (kings, anti-christs) - and they have a front man - looks like obama wants to or can fill the vacancy.
Heneni
Yes ist that what I just said?
She is the empire of false religion. She doesnt run it she is it.
The governments and kings of the earth have worked witgh or and according to hte bible fornicated with her, therefore and unholy union between them.
Her destruction is close
The beast she rides signifies the world political powers.
Notice how she is the one controling it? Babylon the Great or religion controls the world powers.
Look down through history how many wars were fought on religious grounds?
The leader of all this is not a man, but it is satan himself pulling the strings of everyone in this world making them strayvfrom Jehovahs flock and go into destruction with him and his greatest instrument. Religion itself
She is the empire of false religion. She doesnt run it she is it.
The governments and kings of the earth have worked witgh or and according to hte bible fornicated with her, therefore and unholy union between them.
Her destruction is close
The beast she rides signifies the world political powers.
Notice how she is the one controling it? Babylon the Great or religion controls the world powers.
Look down through history how many wars were fought on religious grounds?
The leader of all this is not a man, but it is satan himself pulling the strings of everyone in this world making them strayvfrom Jehovahs flock and go into destruction with him and his greatest instrument. Religion itself
PoorlyCommunicated
New Member
Let's start off with the immediate context, K? Sorry to restate it again, the 'seven' hills of Rome are confused with the biblical imagery of the B*e*a*s*t.. To find out more I know where you should start looking. IMHO,The ANE 'studies' is the same part of the world (or region) that gave-Birth to Judaism, could prove very useful. I don't know the answer myself. However, you'd do well to get out of 'the Epic of Gilgamesh'! Try the ancient Phoenician Region's (or Phoenician) 'mythic' legends instead. IMO, focus on what the Whore is riding. Maybe you could be the very first to know the answer
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She is riding the wild beast which is ALL the world powers under one branch............. What one thing has existed disappeared and then reexisted again in the past century.....pick the one thing.
No. The devil is painted as a serpent or dragon in the bible. especially revelation. Revelation ch 12 tells us that the devil is a "great fiery-colored dragon" amd also "the original serpent"as mentioned in Genesis in the Garden of Eden.
This Wild Beast actually appeared then disappeared and came back stronger after all the events of Rev 12:1-12. So the devil has not disappeared and reappeared stronger then ever since this time that this war took place as it was a fulfilment of bible prophecy.
So the Whore is also mentioned as being not a religious or commercial being in Revelation and therefore can only be one other thing that rules over the people of the earth, which is religion.
Therefore the wild beast is not satan and the whore is not the antichrist
In fact, there has only been one entitiy that has risen, fallen and risen again since satan was hurled to the earth and that is the League of/united nations
Therefore the league of nations is the wild beast and the whore is false religion
Ok....looking over the biblical texts,...I will admit, America is a good possibility. But, I'm still going to advance my original thought on this which is that the Whore of Babylon is money.
Merchents became rich with the abundance of her luxery.
Kings of the Earth dealt with her in some way. - surely the Earth's rulers deal much with money.
in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth." - certainly many people have died for money/the greed of others.
But, yes,..... unless the bible was being really metaphoric when it said city, I suppose it would maybe have to be some kind of a place, rather than an object.
That said,....well, yes, the Vatican would be a powerful city. Though I really don't know that anyone (merchents, etc.) have been made rich with it. New York is where Wall Street is and that (Wall Street) certainly has to do with commerce, money, greed, nations, kings. Washington D.C. would be another powerful city.
Merchents became rich with the abundance of her luxery.
Kings of the Earth dealt with her in some way. - surely the Earth's rulers deal much with money.
in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth." - certainly many people have died for money/the greed of others.
But, yes,..... unless the bible was being really metaphoric when it said city, I suppose it would maybe have to be some kind of a place, rather than an object.
That said,....well, yes, the Vatican would be a powerful city. Though I really don't know that anyone (merchents, etc.) have been made rich with it. New York is where Wall Street is and that (Wall Street) certainly has to do with commerce, money, greed, nations, kings. Washington D.C. would be another powerful city.
Because they don't remember that the one called a whore in the Bible was Judah who went a whoring. And they don't remember who it was who was exiled to Babylon. The Catholic Church and the Orthodox church and the country of America were never form Babylon were they. So think think think.
cataway
Well-Known Member
well lets see
could it maybe be the U N??:yes:kaoticprofit
Active Member
Rome has been stigmatized as the end-time beast(s) for several reasons. Rome crucified Christ then destroyed the Temple and persecuted Christians. The reformers and many today are still convinced that Rome and the EU or a "Revived Roman Empire" would emerge in the end-times. Does bible prophecy support an Italian and European coalition of nations as the End-time Beast? Absolutely not! Not one verse of End-Time prophecy implicates Rome in any way! Every nation mentioned in bible prophecy is Arab and Islamic today.
Who is the whore of Babylon?
That would be the jihadist and Shia sects of Islam!
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
why would it only be those from among islam???
About Babylon the harlot, Revelations states: Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth. (Revelation 18:24)
So the whore of Babylon would include ANY religious organizations who promoted or supported the death of Gods people. The churches of christendom are just as much a culprit in bloodshed as any terrorist organization.
The whore of Babylon was the pagan city of Rome, i.e. before she was Christianized. This is in keeping with the Roman Empire at the time being implicated as the bad guy who persecuted all the faithful.
As far as a modern incarnation of the Whore of Babylon goes, I'm minded to think that it's the US government--our politicians are effectively wiping out whole Christian populations in the Middle East, between Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and Egypt... Each of these countries had thriving and prosperous Christian populations before the US got involved, populations of Christians who had been living in those lands ever since the Gospel first got there in the first centuries after Christ. These Middle Eastern Christians had survived for 1400 years under Islam, and now the meddling of the US government is leading to the liquidation of these populations, after our mixture of blundering, ignorance and sometimes deliberately malicious actions destabilized each of these countries. And the worst part is, the US doesn't even care about the Christian holocaust that's happening. The media and the government are silent and turning a deaf ear to the pleas of even Christians here in our own country.
As far as a modern incarnation of the Whore of Babylon goes, I'm minded to think that it's the US government--our politicians are effectively wiping out whole Christian populations in the Middle East, between Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and Egypt... Each of these countries had thriving and prosperous Christian populations before the US got involved, populations of Christians who had been living in those lands ever since the Gospel first got there in the first centuries after Christ. These Middle Eastern Christians had survived for 1400 years under Islam, and now the meddling of the US government is leading to the liquidation of these populations, after our mixture of blundering, ignorance and sometimes deliberately malicious actions destabilized each of these countries. And the worst part is, the US doesn't even care about the Christian holocaust that's happening. The media and the government are silent and turning a deaf ear to the pleas of even Christians here in our own country.