1robin
Christian/Baptist
That is the title of Dawins book. are you saying he didn't know how it works?
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Who's more racist... the religious or the non-religious?
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F0uad
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Natural selection tells us that dying is just a part of evolution and surviving of the strongest so murder and kills have no moral judgement its actually promoted.
Also Evolution tells us that Moral Behaviour is evolving like hair and nails so what Hitler did was actually good if you consider that Germany was a secular state and following the Social pressure what lead them to kill 6 million people because it was in the sack of society (Therefore good).
Also Evolution tells us that Moral Behaviour is evolving like hair and nails so what Hitler did was actually good if you consider that Germany was a secular state and following the Social pressure what lead them to kill 6 million people because it was in the sack of society (Therefore good).
McBell
Admiral Obvious
I politely state that your source took the quote out of context and is at best dishonest and at worst a flat out liar:
I asked an obvious question: As we speak of this shifting zeitgeist, how are we to determine whos right? If we do not acknowledge some sort of external [standard], what is to prevent us from saying that the Muslim [extremists] arent right?
Yes, absolutely fascinating. His response was immediate. Whats to prevent us from saying Hitler wasnt right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question. But whatever [defines morality], its not the Bible. If it was, wed be stoning people for breaking the Sabbath.
I was stupefied. He had readily conceded that his own philosophical position did not offer a rational basis for moral judgments. His intellectual honesty was refreshing, if somewhat disturbing on this point.
Dawkins proceeded to cite the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement as examples of Western moral advancements, but would not credit Christianity in the slightest.
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Yes, absolutely fascinating. His response was immediate. Whats to prevent us from saying Hitler wasnt right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question. But whatever [defines morality], its not the Bible. If it was, wed be stoning people for breaking the Sabbath.
I was stupefied. He had readily conceded that his own philosophical position did not offer a rational basis for moral judgments. His intellectual honesty was refreshing, if somewhat disturbing on this point.
Dawkins proceeded to cite the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement as examples of Western moral advancements, but would not credit Christianity in the slightest.
Source
It wasn't informative.
The fact that evolution doesn't prescribe against Hitler's acts is irrelevant to a scientific theory.
Is The Theory Of Gravity justification for Hitler's agenda because it also doesn't say it's wrong.
But Hitler did mention that he was a big fan of Jesus. Although I don't blame Jesus either.
You should be careful about citing Conservapedia. And no, I'm not impugning your source just cuz I disagree.
Rather, I've contributed a little to that site. (They need so much help.) Try this one instead....
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hitler
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waitasec
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waitasec
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McBell
Admiral Obvious
I would say that most racists are Christian.
Though Muslims are catching up rather fast and may actually out number Christians here soon.
A Troubled Man
Active Member
I think racism is another form of indoctrination and can be found in both the religious and non-religious, depending on the individuals upbringing.
It can be argued that some religious doctrines support racism, but it may not be reason to conclude one group may have more racists than the other.
I think those who follow the teachings of Newton are even more racist.
Gravity was used to lynch black folk many many times.
Such a cruel theory it is!
Yeah, that too!
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Ever been to a Jehovah's Witness convention people. The racial diversity and tolerance is amazing.
waitasec
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1robin
Christian/Baptist
I will admit that there is racism in every group including Christianity. But there is no justification for this claim you made. There is no reason consistent with the biblical narrative to be racial. However in evolution there is. Evolution justifies the heard mentality which justifies racism. In fact racism or (groupism) is a definate advantage in natural selection.
I honestly don't see how the context is changed in any meaningful way by what you sited. Richard Dawkins is one of many evolutionists that point out the fact that good and evil loose their meaning and context within evolution. Let me illustrate this. If Hitler and Churchill met in 1944, and Churchill said that he had used his reason, logic, and empathy gained through evolution to conclude that what Hitler was doing was wrong and he should stop it. Hitler replies that he used those same methods but he thinks they justify his actions. There is no way consistent with the evolutionary frame work to settle this. Either only force or an external standard like (God) would allow action. There is no escape from the implications of non-theistic evolution. That doesn't mean it isn't true just undesirable if true.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I have talked to you before, and know your too smart to not be able to see the obvious implications of non-theistic evolution. The professional debaters includeing, Dawkins, Dennet, Hitchens, Barker etc.... Aknowledge the implications of evolution. They have spent hours in debates dealing with this issue alone. Their usual position is that there are no objective standards in evolution which reneders it insuffecient for human need at best and completely impotent at worst. Non-theistic evolution has been cited by it's supporters as the source of subjective morality, while not biological this is inseperable and obvious from it's nature. Gravity has never been cited as a generater of Morals. Just to name one, non-theistic evolution cannot justify the sanctity of human life, we are of no more value than a flea. Evolution rules out objective morals or absolute moral standards of any kind. To compare evolution with gravity in this sense is meaningless. as for the source that quote and many more just like it can be found on many sites.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
That is claim to knowledge and so you have the burden of proof.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
i almost fell for this....
It's the truth. Racism is taboo for Jehovah's Witnesses.
I really don't think religion makes people racist.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
From the interview with Dawkins by Larry Taunton:
Dawkins:
"I'm actually rather interested in the shifting zeitgeist. If you travel anywhere in the Western world, you find a consensus of opinion which is recognizably different from what it was only a matter of a decade or two ago. You and I are both a part of that same zeitgeist, and [as to where] we get our moral outlook, one can almost use phrases like "it's in the air."
What's to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn't right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question."
Atheist Quotes / Atheism Quotes - Richard Dawkins Quotes | True Freethinker
I'm only posting this to point out that one can find this interview on sites that are not "conservative."
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
They will for sure if the "Christian" birthrate keeps dropping. Give it, oh, twenty to thirty more years in many European cities...
Math.