A computer search of that text revealed zero slurs of the ungodly Tony.Yes really, same thing stated as righteous and unrighteous actions, or wicked actions.
Regards Tony
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A computer search of that text revealed zero slurs of the ungodly Tony.Yes really, same thing stated as righteous and unrighteous actions, or wicked actions.
Regards Tony
I agree there is levels of waywardness that esculate beyond unrighteous behaviour, that would manifest to the level of wickedness.To me there is a difference between the three: righteous/ unrighteous/ wicked.
In the Bible both the righteous and unrighteous (KJV just and unjust) will have a resurrection. - Acts 24:15
Whereas, the wicked will be gone ' destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7; 104:35; 145:20; Proverbs 2:21-22
The resurrected righteous will need to remain righteous.
The unrighteous will need to become or learn to become righteous and then stay righteous to gain everlasting life.
See it as you wish to Daniel.A computer search of that text revealed zero slurs of the ungodly Tony.
I wish to see it as it is Tony, in my view you are the one reading it wishfully, but I encourage all to either read the referenced text fully or at least do a find in page for "godless" as I have nothing to fear from being wrong unlike a certain atheophobe in my view.See it as you wish to Daniel.
Regards Tony
Yes, even wicked sinner Satan ends up in 2nd death - Revelation 21:8I agree there is levels of waywardness that esculate beyond unrighteous behaviour, that would manifest to the level of wickedness.
It may be that wickedness ends in the 2nd death, that of the Spirit. Regards Tony
I case you didn't know... Baha'is don't believe that Satan is real. To them, Satan is symbolic of our "lower" nature. And then Adam... For Baha'is he's a "manifestation of God." They don't take the Creation Story literally.Yes, even wicked sinner Satan ends up in 2nd death - Revelation 21:8
Jesus will 'destroy ' Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B
This is what the first prophecy found at Genesis 3:15 is about Satan's head being crushed. - Romans 16:20
Sinner Satan's time is limited - Rev. 12:12 B
As the 'spirit of life' died when sinner Adam died so it does with all of us.
Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life ( aka dust - Gen. 3:19 B; Ecclesiastes 3:20 )
A person can Not return to a place he never was before. Adam's before was dust - Gen. 2:7
Since we are innocent of what sinner Adam did is why God arranged for us to have a resurrection - Acts 24:15
A lot of people don't believe Satan is real. A lot of people don't believe the Creation accounts.I case you didn't know... Baha'is don't believe that Satan is real. To them, Satan is symbolic of our "lower" nature. And then Adam... For Baha'is he's a "manifestation of God." They don't take the Creation Story literally.
So, I don't think Christian interpretations of the Bible and the NT are relevant to Baha'is.
I have no idea if there is a literal Satan or not. Some Jews believe he literally exists, and is a servant of God with one very rough job. Other religious Jews believe he is simply a metaphor for our own inclination to evil.A lot of people don't believe Satan is real. A lot of people don't believe the Creation accounts.
But to me a comparison should prove to be informative. Why believe Satan is real or why not real.
I'd lend you my copy...I wish to see it as it is Tony, in my view you are the one reading it wishfully, but I encourage all to either read the referenced text fully or at least do a find in page for "godless" as I have nothing to fear from being wrong unlike a certain atheophobe in my view.
Occam's razor slashes the unnecessary assumption of an unobserved unevidenced Satan to explain that which can be explained using natural explanations in my view.But this much I DO know: we do not need Satan to explain the evil in the world. Everything you see can be explained by the evil in men's hearts.
That is just supporting the need for one world language, so the meaning of words do not become such a debatable item.I wish to see it as it is Tony, in my view you are the one reading it wishfully, but I encourage all to either read the referenced text fully or at least do a find in page for "godless" as I have nothing to fear from being wrong unlike a certain atheophobe in my view.
Even if the world adopted one language tomorrow people would debate the meaning of words which originated in other languages in my view.That is just supporting the need for one world language, so the meaning of words do not become such a debatable item.
May that day soon come. Regards Tony
Occam's razor slashes the unnecessary assumption of an unobserved unevidenced Satan to explain that which can be explained using natural explanations in my view.
Bingo! Yes, Adam was a man with a man's heart.I have no idea if there is a literal Satan or not. Some Jews believe he literally exists, and is a servant of God with one very rough job. Other religious Jews believe he is simply a metaphor for our own inclination to evil.
But this much I DO know: we do not need Satan to explain the evil in the world. Everything you see can be explained by the evil in men's hearts.
In Genesis chapter 11 we find the world started out with one language ( one vocabulary )That is just supporting the need for one world language, so the meaning of words do not become such a debatable item.
May that day soon come. Regards Tony
You are treating Adam as if her were a historical person. Nope.Bingo! Yes, Adam was a man with a man's heart.
That is not a solution. It has no practical and specific steps for directly addressing a specific issue. What you have is a marketing speech for your religion.The solution is humanity embracing the Councels given of God, which are given by all the Messengers CG. Unity can only be built on our recognition of the Oneness of God and humanity. That is now very clear.
The Pen has many meanings and if anybody was interested, I have posted a link to one persons study as to what the significance of the "Pen" in Scriptures means below.
Also consider the progression of religion, the Bab and Baha'u'llah are the first Messengers to record the Word of God with their own Pen.
"...This is the Day which the Pen of the Most High hath glorified in all the holy Scriptures. There is no verse in them that doth not declare the glory of His holy Name, and no Book that doth not testify unto the loftiness of this most exalted theme...." Bahá'u'lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, pp. 13-14
All the Messengers are God's Pen. The pen is a metaphor. The pen talked about is a feather or a hollow reed which contains the ink that flows on to the page. This also refelect the humility of the Messengers, God word flows through them, their human will 100% subdued.
A Study of the Pen Motif in the Bahá'í Writings
Theology and background of the pen metaphor — the creative force presented by the Manifestation of God — and the tablet — the recipient of th...bahai-library.com
Muhammad as the Pen has recorded.
"Recite thou, in the name of thy Lord who created;
Created man from clots of blood;
Recite thou! For thy Lord is the most Beneficent,
Who Hath taught by the Pen;
Hath taught man what he knoweth not. (Qur'án 96:1-5)
The Baha'i are not able to make other people's choices CG, we can only offer what the Pen of the Most high in this age has offered, what God has offered through the hollw reed, the Pen of the Most High, the Most Glorious Pen.
So we look at those pens, or listen the pens of men.
Regards Tony
Tell that to the fairies that shake their glow dust in a light bulb every time you switch a light on in my view.Yeah, but that says nothing about the existence of Satan as such, since Occam's razor is cognitive and not ontological.
That is not a solution. It has no practical and specific steps for directly addressing a specific issue. What you have is a marketing speech for your religion.
What do Baha'is suggest we do about Gaza and Ukraine? Pro-life vs. Pro-choice? The left or the right? Will Baha'is pick a side? Or stay neutral? Staying out of things is their usual stance. It's easy to say that "unity" is the answer. But how do they bring "unity" to people that are so far apart?
The "solution" then is everyone accepting and embracing and obeying the teachings of Baha'u'llah?The solution is humanity embracing the Councels given of God, which are given by all the Messengers