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[Shadow Wolf]

The embarassment should still be present, as a motivating factor.

It hasn't been proven to be an effective motivator. If anything, it increases the chances of them not getting off as shaming and embarrassing people can lead to reduced self-esteem and decreased motivation as they get torn down, and instead of trying they just give up because the world has said "**** you."

 

[buddhist]

It hasn't been proven to be an effective motivator. If anything, it increases the chances of them not getting off as shaming and embarrassing people can lead to reduced self-esteem and decreased motivation as they get torn down, and instead of trying they just give up because the world has said "**** you."

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Let's just say, if my child is deserving of embarassment, I'd rather that he learn from it, instead of being shielded from that embarassment. My child is not going to be part of the participation-trophy generation.

 

[jeager106]

It hasn't been proven to be an effective motivator. If anything, it increases the chances of them not getting off as shaming and embarrassing people can lead to reduced self-esteem and decreased motivation as they get torn down, and instead of trying they just give up because the world has said "**** you."

My real life experience as shown me this ^^ to be accurate.

Giving a free ride becomes an expected way of life.
An entitlement that is self replicating.
I'm in favor of letting people on the dole get jobs at McDonald's or
the local car wash, and they can keep the "dole" and the small
amount of money earned.
This at least breeds a sense of earning and things earned are
appreciated.
Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Let's just say, if my child is deserving of embarassment, I'd rather that he learn from it, instead of being shielded from that embarassment instead.

My child is not going to be part of the participation-trophy generation.

And my parent's didn't want me to be a part the "MTV generation," but it's when I'm from. And do you have any research to suggest this "participation trophy" thing people mention is detrimental? Acknowledged efforts do not mean winning. Acknowledging efforts is how you gain respect, instill a sense of cooperation, and a great way of motivating people in future endeavors when they know you notice them and aren't going to tear them down. Such an approach has served me admirably in any any leadership or management positions I've held.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm in favor of letting people on the dole get jobs at McDonald's or
the local car wash, and they can keep the "dole" and the small
amount of money earned.

Most people "on the dole" are already working at McDonald's or another place of low-wage/minimum wage employment, and for a number of reasons can't get ahead. Around here, for example, if you're not physically able to work a factory or warehouse job, you're pretty much condemned to low wage service jobs if you didn't go to school for medicine or law. Maintenance is a fairly decent gamble, but, then again, even then there are only so many of those jobs.

 

[buddhist]

do you have any research to suggest this "participation trophy" thing people mention is detrimental?

The Law of Cause and Effect is plainly evident to me. Attempting to circumvent this law has proven again and again in my own life to be detrimental.

 

[jeager106]

I was 100% disabled back in 1994.
I could have sat on my tush and drank beer and complained what
a cruel world and lived a life of intractable, permanent pain.
I CHOSE to go to college; got to go for almost nothing.
Earned 2 degrees, retired again after 8 good years at General Motors.
Now I legally collect my police disability pension, a bit of social security and
have a small but decent investment portfolio.
Humph. Take that! :>)
I'm not even close to "well off" but I can have a decent small home, a decent car, and eat well, have great credit and can pay my bills.
My small investment portfolio is doing "o.k.".
After I was 100% disabled I endured 9 grueling months of therapy
so I could walk without aid. (canes)
Then college. I don't regret any of it.
If I knew the guy that crippled me I'd thank him for the opportunity I
was given.
I know police officers I worked with that got disabilities and are trying
to live on the meager income.
They don't associate with me.
Believe me it's no loss to me.
Fact is I kinda took a bit of a redassing for going to school.
"Why fo' you go to school? Why fo'?"
I'm a bit crippled but I ain't stupid.

 

[jeager106]

The Law of Cause and Effect is plainly evident to me. Attempting to circumvent this law has proven again and again in my own life to be detrimental.

Comes to mind:
"Do what you always did. Get what you always got."
Just sayin'.
And one definition of insanity:
"doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
Every time I drank alcohol I got drunk. Every time I got drunk, bad things
happened to me and others.
I don't drink. I don't get drunk. Nothing bad happens to me.
Go figure?

I dunno? Me not being so very bright; but there might be a message in
that saying.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Law of Cause and Effect is plainly evident to me. Attempting to circumvent this law has proven again and again in my own life to be detrimental.

That isn't research or evidence that supports your claims.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I CHOSE to go to college; got to go for almost nothing.

Most people do not get to go for "almost nothing."

 

[buddhist]

That isn't research or evidence that supports your claims.

Why do I need research to prove that Effects corresponds with their Causes?

 

[jeager106]

Most people "on the dole" are already working at McDonald's or another place of low-wage/minimum wage employment, and for a number of reasons can't get ahead. Around here, for example, if you're not physically able to work a factory or warehouse job, you're pretty much condemned to low wage service jobs if you didn't go to school for medicine or law. Maintenance is a fairly decent gamble, but, then again, even then there are only so many of those jobs.

Perhaps many people get comfortable with a certain level of pain?
One only has to google for a few minutes and learn what the market
is currently for jobs then narrow that to a specific geographical area.
Jobs ARE available.
MEDICINE is HUGE and growing especially with us baby boomers
aging and getting sick.
My 15 year old son will NOT graduate high school.
WASTE OF TIME TODAY.
He's going directly into diabetic nursing school.
SMART!
The field is huge and demand great.
There ARE jobs.

 

[jeager106]

Most people do not get to go for "almost nothing."

Ya do if ya knows how!
I got my first degree with social assistance since I was 100% disabled.
I got my 2nd on General Motors who hired me due to my 1st degree.
If ya wanna yer a gonna.
I was FORTY-EIGHT years old when I started college, 53 when I graduated
with two degrees and an "A" average.
And I ain't that smart. I worked my tushy off! Went to school FULL time,
worked FULL time and raised 3 step kids FULL time. + worked overtime!
At lunch and on breaks I STUDIED. I didn't get much sleep either.
My final paper was over 100 pages and is in the Geneva College Library
for reference for others.
I wrote that paper, complete with citations, in 3 straight days and nights
without a break! Oh, and "yes" it did have pictures. :>)
If ya wanna yer a gonna.
Hell I might even go back since the Kent main branch is but 10
minutes from here and I'm not doing anything else anyway.

I have a da&ned hard time with, " but I can't".
I'm not even close to Mensa material.
(close perhaps) Mensa International - Wikipedia

 

[jeager106]

Actually I'm only "average" with an I.Q. range between 115
and 125 which means I had to work me arse off.

 

[jeager106]

Most people do not get to go for "almost nothing."

Depends upon who "most people" are.
I'm referencing State schools, not private, thus expensive, universities.
When I was in college not all that long ago most of the non
trad students were single mothers, people of color, and those with
physical disabilities.
That was Kent State of Ohio.
Later I got my other degree from Geneva, a private and expensive
school. (General Motors covered that bill for me. I had to maintain
at least a 3.2 g.p.a.)
It's pretty easy for a single mom to get a very good education for very
little money.
I orta go back as I love learning.
Kent State Main campus is but 10 minutes or so from where I live now.
I'd have to put up with being 70 among 20 year olds.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm referencing State schools, not private, thus expensive, universities.

Me too. Myself, I don't get to go for cheap.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I got my first degree with social assistance since I was 100% disabled.

That's not "knowing how," it's having went through an unfortunate accident.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

One only has to google for a few minutes and learn what the market
is currently for jobs then narrow that to a specific geographical area.

Google, Indeed, Monster...they don't make jobs appear.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why do I need research to prove that Effects corresponds with their Causes?

I didn't say that. I said evidence that shame and embarrassment are effective motivators.

 

[jeager106]

That's not "knowing how," it's having went through an unfortunate accident.

I could have sat around and whined and pee'd in my beer but
I CHOSE not to.
It was a choice to make the best of a bad situation.
I didn't "know" that I could go to school until I LOOKED into it.
At age 48 there must be something I could do.
Even the Ohio Rehabilitation guy tried to talk me out of going to
school as I was "too old".
HA!
You see I wasn't female or black enough.
That is the unbridled truth of it.
A 48 year old white guy getting State Aid for school????
Must have been a Bible Verse against such a thing.
So politically UNcorrect.
I made a real p.i.t.a. our of myself until the B.V.R. guy got me an appointment with school admissions.
THEN the REAL fight started. The older black female in charge of
non trad students made NO BONES she didn't want to extend any
benefits to a WHITE GUY much less a busted up WHITE COP!
How do you spell R E A L I T Y ??????

After I'd been in engineering class a few months the professor
took me aside and warned me to do well as "they" were looking
for me to get two grades in a row under a "C" so they could boot
me from the program.
Discrimination?
You're darned right it was.
I fought the system and won.
Do I still have an attitude about that?
YES!
But not so much when I see my income and investment accounts. :>)
( it ain't that much but better than a police disability)